Why would the Catholic Church put together a Book that disproves thier own doctrine?

[saveusfromhell]

okay i’ll correct myself a pope can** claim** to be speaking excathedra but can’t be unless all conditions are met. i did see the error in what my post was implying but it was too late to chang
maybe now you can address the rest of that post.

actually jonc you can diregard the last line of the post, going to have to stop posting on night shift i get too irritable

 

[JonNC]

actually jonc you can diregard the last line of the post, going to have to stop posting on night shift i get too irritable

Understood.

Jon

 

[Isaiah45_9]

Thanks. As you can see, mine is not a polemic against the CC.

BTW, a couple of years ago the USCCB and Lutherans authored this dialogue statement, in part about Purgatory. **It is loooong, **but very interesting.

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/dialogue-with-others/ecumenical/lutheran/hope-eternal-life.cfm
Jon

You were not kidding, lol.

I didn’t know about it, thanks for the link.

Peace,

Jose

 

[Lochias]

Thanks. As you can see, mine is not a polemic against the CC.

BTW, a couple of years ago the USCCB and Lutherans authored this dialogue statement, in part about Purgatory. It is loooong, but very interesting.

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/dialogue-with-others/ecumenical/lutheran/hope-eternal-life.cfm

Jon

Cool, I’ll give it a read later tonight.

 

[semicrzy]

Did you both come to an agreement that it was the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible? If so, how could he possibly argue that it contradicts Catholic doctrine? It would be silly, at the very least.

The problem anyway would be the assumption that the Bible simply fell from the sky. Clearly, the faith must have preexisted the Bible, because otherwise how do we decide what is proper scripture and what is Gnostic nonsense? And if the faith preexisted the Bible, wouldn’t it make logical sense that there would be elements of the faith not possibly written down in the New Testament? After all, the Bible isn’t an instruction manual on how the faith works. Most of the New Testament is composed of letters by apostles to other apostles or churches, regarding specific issues. Wouldn’t make sense that they’d cover everything there is to know about Christianity in them.

That would be easy god says ask with pure heart and honesty and you are forgiven but catholics say you must go to a confesional boot tell the preist your sins and ask for forgiveness and he say’s something like " say 5 hail mary’s and 3 our fathers" that don’t line up with the bible that you qoute go by and god say’s " you shall not worship another god before me " but yet catholic’s worship the pope, get down on 1 knee kiss his hand, ect… i would call that worship, and the bible is a manual on faith , living and humanity jesus talks about the way to live and faith for the most part is brought about when a miricle is wittnessed.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

By non catholic you mean any church not in communion with rome? There was never a universal canon for every church mandated by the early church. But I understand the point against protestantism you are trying to make.

 

[Arizona_Samson]

Asked this question today to a fundamentalist up in the apologetics playground. He is trying to disprove a Catholic teaching by using the “neutral source” of the Bible.
I thought I would ask both Catholics and non-Catholics this simple quesion.
**It begins with the premise of course **that the Catholic Church put together the Bible we have.
Why would the Catholic Church put together a Book that disproves thier own doctrine?

Beginning with a faulty premise renders your question null and void.

 

[GaryTaylor]

catholics say you must go to a confesional boot tell the preist your sins and ask for forgiveness and he say’s something like " say 5 hail mary’s and 3 our fathers" that don’t line up with the bible that you qoute go by and god say’s " you shall not worship another god before me " but yet catholic’s worship the pope, get down on 1 knee kiss his hand, ect… i would call that worship, and the bible is a manual on faith , living and humanity jesus talks about the way to live and faith for the most part is brought about when a miricle is wittnessed.