Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Do not add words I did not write. Charitable? What does that mean when I am in a dark room with people I cannot get to know and understand? A person is not anxious in a quiet neighborhood surrounded by people he knows and trusts. We did not lock our doors at night. Here, we are literally blind. In this case, vigilance is required. The unseen, unknown person could be anybody.

As for me, I do research for a living. I need to know how to find accurate information quickly, understand it and pass it on to the person who needs it. I must be accurate or the person in charge, once he learns of a mistake, will blame me. As a moderator on another forum, I have become immune to emotion words. Again, their source is unidentified.
 
As was I. I simply took what I was taught as true. Years ago, I was watching a scientific presentation on TV. Scientists said that if a planet was the right distance from its sun, had water and the building blocks of life (amino acids) then life would arise there.

Later, I realized, They don’t know that. How could they? A wild assumption passed off as fact. Nope. A little critical thinking shot that down.
 
Aloysium said:
I’ve never read an explanation of God’s role in evolution. I’ve been looking, but all there are is generalities and assertions that we are dealing with pretty much two different realities, the physical described by science and the spiritual, covered by theology.
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Well, here’s the short of it for me.

We can know that God often uses people that are true causes in themselves in our daily lives. For example, a person who preaches His word and brings people to Him is a true part of their conversion. It is also true that God is behind it as the one who sent the person out.

Putting that into a brief overview, God created the universe. At the beginning you have the Big Bang, laws of physics. All that. Eventually we have the rise of the first life on this planet. As that life starts its journey, it splits and multiplies and in a way it does so on its own. At the same time it is participating in God’s plan. As time goes on and mutations occur, mutations He knew were going to happen at such and such time, His creatures continue living their lives an acting in his plan. Fast forward a billion years or so and this process with His creatures participating in His plan has brought forth creatures very similar to modern man. And in a group of these creatures, two copulate. The sperm reaches the egg and life begins, but this life has a difference from its parents. Instead of an animal soul, God has given them a rational soul. They are a true human. This human is born and knows God, being a state of original justice. As they grow up they have some skills like a greater capacity for language (so I’m putting it around 70,000 years ago when behaviorally modern humans came about) and as they move around with their tribe in Africa, they eventually meet another one gifted with the same gifts. [Though I’m not going to be strict on these exact details at all.] Sometime later original sin happens and the rest is history.

As a further note on His creatures participating. If we look to our lives, He wants us to be part of the relationship with Him. We are dependent on Him for salvation for example, but it’s still a big part of our salvation that we actually do something. And when it comes to creation, it would be fitting that he would want His creatures to work with Him in His plans, not because He needs them to, but because He wants them to. In addition, this planet can only support so much life at one time. So in addition to evolution allowing His creatures to take part in His creation, it also allows us to marvel so much more at His glory to see so many things He made. I was at the museum recently and in the Evolving Planet exhibit, I looked at some of those fossils and couldn’t help but have some awe at these creatures long gone, but made by God through evolution and the role they played in the creation of today’s life.
 
You are uncharitable in assuming the worst of everybody who disagrees with you. Not everybody who reads genesis as not hyper literal worships this “god of science” you always claim we “worship.” Just because these alternate opinions don’t mesh with your personal worldview doesn’t mean they are inherently anti catholic. To assume they are and put down those who hold those views is the opposite of charitable
 
“the worst of everybody” Really? And those who might agree with me don’t exist? Go back and show me where I used the word “worship.” I recently saw this written about a recent advance in science: “Science : 1, God : 0.” So my concerns are not limited to only what I read here. My “personal worldview” is not similar to others here? Or is that impossible?

Catholics can choose to accept evolution but should think it through first. That’s all I’m saying.
 
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You claim to be able to find quality evidence for things, so here’s my proposition to you: collect the evidence among the academic community that suggests people didn’t live 900 years, then collect the other side. As objectively as possible, and let us know what you find
 
“It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.” John 6:63

“It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh(Human Reasoning) is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit (Supernatural) and life.”
 
Let me make this simple, in a nutshell. There’s a non-denominational church nearby that I’ve been wanting to check out but they don’t believe in evolution, just like you. The Catholic church allows us TO believe in evolution.

I started a thread a couple weeks ago asking for someone to convince me, by showing proof that we didn’t originate by evolution, and no one could.
 
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Hope1960:
No. Just sources that have been well educated, particularly in a reputable institution.
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Dogmas of the Catholic Church

Do you agree with all of them? If not which ones…

The Divine Work of Creation​

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This is sad strategy. The discussion is about evolution, and you obviously disagree with Hope1960. But instead of making your best logical argument in support of your case, you lay out a list of 23 dogmas, most of which have nothing to do with the question of evolution. Apparently you want Hope1960 to do all the work answering each of these 23 questions in the hope that one of them will cause Hope1960 to stumble and you can claim a point. So sad. It shows you don’t have an argument. Because if you did think that Church dogma does say evolution is false, you would cite that one dogma and be done with. But you can’t because that dogma that makes your case so perfectly does not exist.
 
The Bible isn’t a science book.

The Bible is criticized like it was a science book.

See. So, science is uh… something, and the something something…
 
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What other aspects are there? How are they known?
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There are the philosophical aspects of evolution, such as God being the ultimate first cause of all the laws of nature, of which evolution is just one of them.
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And yet there’s not even a hint of evolution in the Bible. 🤔
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The Bible also does not mention e = m c squared. But I firmly believe that God created the laws of nature, fully aware that e = m c squared was part of it. Do you find fault with my attributing that law of nature to God too?
 
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I started a thread a couple weeks ago asking for someone to convince me, by showing proof that we didn’t originate by evolution, and no one could.
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There is zero, absolutely zero empirical evidence we originated by evolution. We were created in the image and likeness of God.

I do believe in evolution, micro-evolution that is.
 
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