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Consider these two sentences:Aloysium:
There is no rule that says atheism has to be reasonable.
Does the God exist in whom IWantGod believes? I don’t know.
Does the God exist in whom you believe? No.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Does the God exist in whom IWantGod believes? I don’t know.
Does the God exist in whom you believe? No.
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I personally have an ‘open mind’ about the exact means by which human beings/homo sapiens evolved [I do not question God’s ways] - what I do feel very strongly though is that at the first moment humanity {Adam and Eve], say ‘bit of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil’ that it was imbued with a unique kind of soul, one which is so dear to God. This special soul is our privileged inheritance, unique to each of us, and each is separately and collectively precious to God. -That at the moment of human awareness of good and evil/right and wrong, we also came into the realm of choice; that by our own actions we can impact that relationship with God, positively or negatively.
When it comes to ‘evolution’, God can do things as He pleases - but one thing appears for sure, is that through our souls, and indeed our minds, we are unique as a species.
When it comes to ‘evolution’, God can do things as He pleases - but one thing appears for sure, is that through our souls, and indeed our minds, we are unique as a species.
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That has to do with the encroachment of their habitat by Man, which is not a true natural environmental change.Techno2000:
Do you not think about the questions you ask before you ask them? I don’t think that you do. What you are asking is: ‘What creatures are becoming extinct’. I just asked my grandson and he gave me two examples. Let’s see if you can beat a six year old.LeafByNiggle:
What species in this day and age is not capable of succeeding in it’s own environment ?buffalo:
Here we ago again. A loss of one function (breeding with the ancestor species) is replaced by another function (breeding with the new species). It is only under a very imaginative way of describing things that one says there was loss of function, as if the organism becomes less capable to succeed in its environment. To most objective observers the new species is overall more capable.rossum:
Here we go again. Losing function equals a new species.
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Perhaps also: “Does Vishnu exist?” There are a great many people who disbelieve in a very large number of gods and are just one God short of atheism. Most of then cannot see a problem with disbelieving all those other gods.
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Aloysium
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You’re welcome.
There is a structure to reality that reason is capable of grasping; that is one aspect of what it means to be human. The structure of the universe in time includes its beginnings, which involve the step-wise creation of everything that is and is maintained in existence. It goes way beyond the material, which is the focus of modern science. In trying to understand how things work limited to only that perspective, we are no longer dealing with reality but illusion. Whereas creationism is “metascience”, evolution is pseudoscience.
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Not always. It might be due to a new predator, a new competitor or a new disease. Red squirrels find it difficult to survive in areas where grey squirrels are prevalent.
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Aloysium
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The list of endangered species in the Galapagos Islands approaches a hundred, from my count. This is natural selection at work. Death is not creative. There are epigenetic features built into the cells of animals and the totality of their physical make up, that allow for adaptation to changes. The NASA twin study demonstrates how much change occurs in going into space. And, we know still very little of how all this works. If there is too drastic a change, the species as a whole may not survive as we observe happening on the islands made famous by their ruggedness and novelty of life forms.LeafByNiggle:
What species in this day and age is not capable of succeeding in it’s own environment ?
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Wozza
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How the environment changes is completely irrelevant. If it changes, for whatever reason, then it affects the biodiversity. Do you think that evolution determines why an environment has changed before it takes effect?Wozza:
That has to do with the encroachment of their habitat by Man, which is not a true natural environmental change.Techno2000:
Do you not think about the questions you ask before you ask them? I don’t think that you do. What you are asking is: ‘What creatures are becoming extinct’. I just asked my grandson and he gave me two examples. Let’s see if you can beat a six year old.LeafByNiggle:
What species in this day and age is not capable of succeeding in it’s own environment ?buffalo:
Here we ago again. A loss of one function (breeding with the ancestor species) is replaced by another function (breeding with the new species). It is only under a very imaginative way of describing things that one says there was loss of function, as if the organism becomes less capable to succeed in its environment. To most objective observers the new species is overall more capable.rossum:
Here we go again. Losing function equals a new species.
Madness.
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Well then the red squirrels die… end of story, evolution doesn’t come into playTechno2000:
Not always. It might be due to a new predator, a new competitor or a new disease. Red squirrels find it difficult to survive in areas where grey squirrels are prevalent.
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Wozza
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Indeed and agreed. But I was highlighting the fact that people can only agree or not on the claim that specific definitions of any given god are true.Wozza:
Perhaps also: “Does Vishnu exist?” There are a great many people who disbelieve in a very large number of gods and are just one God short of atheism. Most of then cannot see a problem with disbelieving all those other gods.
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The God in whom Ed believes and the God in whom IWantGod believes are identical in some ways but totally different in others. So neither of them believes in what the other does.
You cannot pick and choose the attributes of God as you feel would better suit yourself. I will grant that the God in which IWantGod believes might exist, whereas Ed will not. So he is more an atheist in that regard than am I.
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Which, by an amazing coincidence, was the answer to the question you asked.rossum:
Well then the red squirrels die…Techno2000:
Not always. It might be due to a new predator, a new competitor or a new disease. Red squirrels find it difficult to survive in areas where grey squirrels are prevalent.
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May I ask how old you are?
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Techno2000
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No…
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Techno2000
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55…Techno2000:
Which, by an amazing coincidence, was the answer to the question you asked.rossum:
Well then the red squirrels die…Techno2000:
Not always. It might be due to a new predator, a new competitor or a new disease. Red squirrels find it difficult to survive in areas where grey squirrels are prevalent.
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May I ask how old you are?
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o_mlly
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I’ve skipped your posts for many weeks seeing no value in your previous efforts to move the thread forward. Having some time on the subway, I decided to see if you had made any progress or were still as unaware and as shallow as ever. Yep “as far” in your case must be measured in mm. The laughable drivel continues to spew.
Atheists and agnostics.
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He sounds exactly like Bradskii.Wozza:
I’ve skipped your posts for many weeks seeing no value in your previous efforts to move the thread forward. Having some time on the subway, I decided to see if you had made any progress or were still as unaware and as shallow as ever. Yep “as far” in your case must be measured in mm. The laughable drivel continues to spew.
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o_mlly
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Well, there goes the claim that your asexual marble crayfish is a new species. It can neither breed with ancestor species or the new species. Or do you wish to change the definition of “species” once again?
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o_mlly
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His mentor/hero was up the same creek but occasionally used a paddle; this one – not so much.
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I note that posters who are theists may or may not make a leap of faith as to the truth of macro evolution.
Not so with atheists; they are all in. Why?
I think that atheists (wrongly) think that the macro evolution idea gives them some hope at a coherent worldview. They are like the tower of babel builders who, like all of us in their desire to find perfection, thought if they could just build this thing high enough then they could reach the transcendent by their own wits and efforts. In their pride and hubris, they babble on.
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Then your point about any given changes in the environment beinng possibly man-made was irrelevant. I’m not sure why I have to point this out because you seem to already have accepted it.Wozza:
No…
Why ask questions to which the answers are obvious and which, with the tiniest of effort, you could answer yourself?
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Wozza
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The same old song. How many times must it be pointed out that the vast majority of those trying to educate you as to basic scientific principles are Christians. And that even the one or two atheists have no problem in accepting the views of all Christians that God is behind the process.Edgar:
I note that posters who are theists may or may not make a leap of faith as to the truth of macro evolution.
Not so with atheists; they are all in. Why?
I think that atheists (wrongly) think that the macro evolution idea gives them some hope at a coherent worldview. They are like the tower of babel builders who, like all of us in their desire to find perfection, thought if they could just build this thing high enough then they could reach the transcendent by their own wits and efforts. In their pride and hubris, they babble on.
You need to find another dead horse.
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