Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Never said anything about Bible. I didn’t realize you believed in Bible.
You accept the Bible, so I quote the Bible to you. Just as you should be quoting the Tripitaka to me.
Alas, irrelevant since that “living” is not literal meaning God has pulse and ages, etc.
There are a great many living things, a majority in fact, that do not have a pulse. Does grass have a pulse? Is grass alive? As to aging, neither bacteria not arche age, they merely grow and split into two.

You seem to be using your own very narrow definition of “life” here in order to suit your argument. That is an obvious Humpty Dumpty/No True Scotsman argument.

The Christian God is a living God. Hence, the Christian God cannot have created life because He did not create Himself. QED.
 
You’ve made an argument the Bible is valid,
You accept the Bible as valid. I accept it as partly valid. For example, Sennacherib’s Annals describe, from the Assyrian point of view the invasion of Judah in Hezekiah’s reign, confirming much of the Biblical account. Spoiler alert: in the Assyrian version the Assyrians win.

The God described in the Bible is a “living God” and is also uncreated. Hence that God cannot have created life. QED.
 
As it allegedly careens through the world in no particular direction. It can do anything, explain anything (as long as it’s plausible) and create/modify anything. Guaranteed to do something.
 
As it allegedly careens through the world in no particular direction. It can do anything, explain anything (as long as it’s plausible) and create/modify anything. Guaranteed to do something.
Yeah…even if it has to produce millions of unfit offspring, it will get the job done. :roll_eyes:
 
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Of course. Keep spitting out organisms where most cannot survive or which are somehow defective and die. It’s like producing a million cars and only one works. Then, it supposedly gets upgraded.
 
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Of course. Keep spitting out organisms where most cannot survive or which are somehow defective and die. It’s like producing a million cars and only one works. Then, it supposedly gets upgraded.
There’s a lot of evolution experts around here, I’m wondering if they can tell us what the failure to success ratio is, I’m thinking 99 to 1 maybe I’m off ? 🤔
 
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There’s a lot of evolution experts around here, I’m wondering if they can tell us what the failure to success ratio is, I’m thinking 99 to 1 maybe I’m off ?
A lot less than that. How many acorns will a mature Oak tree produce in its lifetime? On average only one or two of those acorns will reach maturity. A fish may produce thousands of eggs. Again, only one or two will survive to maturity.

Natural selection is a very harsh filter for many species.
 
Natural selection is a very harsh filter for many species.
The filter is death, hardly a process of creation.

Many acorns are produced and die, not because because the majority are genetically defective, on their way to some other species of tree, but because it is difficult to form the right relationship with their environment, fertile ground, and more importantly, they serve as food for some animals. We are told that we should think that it was random glitching in the reproduction of DNA that resulted in this abundance of seeds, whereas we have usually one child per pregnancy.

Unexplored is the reality that natural selection speaks to, and that is the existence of an individual whole living being, which is in a mutual relationship with the environment, that is, in turn, a whole, composed of an inter-related collection of life forms, resting on the dust, water, air and solar energy that constitutes the material strata of existence. Each individual living being, just as we ourselves, is a member of a kind of thing that had a beginning in time. We can argue about the timing, but the fact is that each level of creation, was followed by another, which utilized its properties in its formation, all the way to the top - humankind, scattered in sin, and united in the Love that is the mystical body of Christ.
 
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The filter is death, hardly a process of creation.
It is a filter, as I said. It is not a process of creation. The creative part of evolution is random mutation. That provides a range of different DNA variants. Natural selection reduces the range available by eliminating some of those DNA variants. Evolution works as a dynamic tension between mutation introducing new variants and natural selection removing variants.
[Acorns] serve as food for some animals.
Oak trees have evolved their seeds so animals will pick them up and spread them. It is advantageous for trees not to be crowded too close together. Sycamores have evolved an aerofoil on their seeds to use wind to disperse them.
 
Another manifestation of death, except in the Marvel comic universe.
You are dropping back into metaphysics again. You should have already worked out that my metaphysics is very different from yours. In my metaphysics death is caused by birth. If you don’t want to die, then do not get born.
 
You are dropping back into metaphysics again.
We are discussing reality, which is not a subjective phenomenon. Metaphysics, which addresses those aspects that have to do with the structure of being, can only point to what exists, but are themselves otherwise intellectualizations that approach the truth, but can be in error. They are spoken of as a realized or revealed knowledge, which cannot be logically derived, since the concepts that do not include them are insufficient.

This is not metaphysics but science.

As to random change in the genome being destructive, one need only understand that the series of base pairs in DNA is utilized by cellular processes and structures to produce a series of amino acids, that constitute specific proteins, and that any random chemical change will result in change in the protein structure. Each different series of amino acids is arranged, by virtue of their electrostatic interactions, into a particular shape, which gives the protein its function, be it structural, enzymatic or as the switch which begins a cascade of events within and outside the cell.

The effect of random chemical change in the genome is best understood when we think cancer. The cause may be a toxin such as tobacco smoke or benzene, radiation, as in too much sun or lack of protection when undergoing particular scans, viruses, such as papilloma and hepatitis C, or simply the noise that exists in any system and results in a glitch during the process of reproduction, running more of a risk when cells are having to reproduce more frequently as a result of chronic ongoing damage, as in stomach or esophageal cancer. The activity of molecules and atoms, outside the regulatory influence of the over-riding order found in the cell, is chaotic to that which is necessary for life.
If you don’t want to die, then do not get born.
Exactly, one is born, created from nothing, utilizing matter that is moulded into the bodily dimension that is the person. We do develop however, and at a certain point, growth is replaced on a physical level by a de-composition of those material structures, and once we are dead, it completely returns to the dust that we are. Similarly, on a larger scale what we observe is devolution. The appearance of evolution is the result of successive creative events, which saw the coming into being of increasingly complex forms.
 
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There’s a lot of evolution experts around here, I’m wondering if they can tell us what the failure to success ratio is, I’m thinking 99 to 1 maybe I’m off ?
A lot less than that. How many acorns will a mature Oak tree produce in its lifetime? On average only one or two of those acorns will reach maturity. A fish may produce thousands of eggs. Again, only one or two will survive to maturity.

Natural selection is a very harsh filter for many species.
No rossum, the number of fit/unfit offspring.Example how many fit/unfit offspring did it take to go from the dinosaur to the so-called first real bird ?
 
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There’s a lot of evolution experts around here, I’m wondering if they can tell us what the failure to success ratio is, I’m thinking 99 to 1 maybe I’m off ?
A lot less than that. How many acorns will a mature Oak tree produce in its lifetime? On average only one or two of those acorns will reach maturity. A fish may produce thousands of eggs. Again, only one or two will survive to maturity.

Natural selection is a very harsh filter for many species.
No rossum, the number of fit/unfit offspring.Example how many fit/unfit offspring did it take to go from the dinosaur to the so-called first real bird ?
That’s your homework for the day. Look up the time when there were only dinosaurs, then look up the time when birds appeared. Now you’ll have the length of time it took.

Divide that by an estimate of the length of time between generations of dinosaurs and you’ll get the number of generations.

Extra marks will be awarded if you show your calculations at each step.

(Tip: Answer should be around 7 million).
 
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from the dinosaur to the so-called first real bird ?
How do I tell a real bird from a “so-called real bird”? You are setting up a very obvious No True Scotsman fallacy here.

I will say that the answer is 42, providing I can define what a “so-called real bird” is.
 
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