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Perhaps you were not aware they used intelligent design to pick the route, a fact the author admits.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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He might like IDvolution - Foresight: How the Chemistry of Life Reveals Planning and Purpose
Learn about jumping insects with real gears, and the ingenious technology behind a power-punching shrimp. Enter the strange world of carnivorous plants. And check out a microscopic protein machine in a bird’s eye that may work as a GPS device by harnessing quantum entanglement. Join renowned Brazilian scientist Marcos Eberlin as he uncovers a myriad of artful solutions to major engineering challenges in chemistry and biology, solutions that point beyond blind evolution to the workings of an attribute unique to minds—foresight.Marcos N. Eberlin is a member of the Brazilian Academy of Sciences and holds a PhD in chemistry from the University of Campinas. After postdoctoral work at Purdue, he founded the Thomson Mass Spectrometry Laboratory, growing it into a highly distinguished lab and supervising some 200 graduate and post-doctoral students, scientists who today work as researchers and professionals all around the globe. Winner of the prestigious Thomson Medal (2016) and the former president of the International Mass Spectrometry Foundation, Eberlin is recognized worldwide as one of the most productive mass spectrometrists ever, having published close to 1,000 scientific articles.
Learn about jumping insects with real gears, and the ingenious technology behind a power-punching shrimp. Enter the strange world of carnivorous plants. And check out a microscopic protein machine in a bird’s eye that may work as a GPS device by harnessing quantum entanglement. Join renowned Brazilian scientist Marcos Eberlin as he uncovers a myriad of artful solutions to major engineering challenges in chemistry and biology, solutions that point beyond blind evolution to the workings of an attribute unique to minds—foresight.Marcos N. Eberlin is a member of the Brazilian Academy of Sciences and holds a PhD in chemistry from the University of Campinas. After postdoctoral work at Purdue, he founded the Thomson Mass Spectrometry Laboratory, growing it into a highly distinguished lab and supervising some 200 graduate and post-doctoral students, scientists who today work as researchers and professionals all around the globe. Winner of the prestigious Thomson Medal (2016) and the former president of the International Mass Spectrometry Foundation, Eberlin is recognized worldwide as one of the most productive mass spectrometrists ever, having published close to 1,000 scientific articles.
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They used human intelligent design. Are you claiming that humans designed the vertebrate eye?
Their route started with a very simple flat eye, such as the eye we see in a Lancelet. From there they only used other eyes that we observe in living organisms, such as the cup eye in planarians.
All you can do is criticise the evidence science produces. Where is your evidence of any deity designing an eye? We cannot criticise your evidence because you don’t have any. That is not a good position to be in during a scientific discussion.
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Techno2000
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Example please…
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Lactase persistence. Various high altitude adaptations. Apo A-I Milano. HbC. HIV resistance. There are plenty. Going back into the past there were smallpox resistance and others.
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Hilarious speculative text. I see it more and more. Perhaps the eyes of the Horseshoe Crab are precisely where they are for no particular reason. Which is false.
http://www.horseshoecrab.org/anat/vision.html
http://www.horseshoecrab.org/anat/vision.html
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This looks important. Thanks.
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Obviously gravity does not know about anything, it has no brain or mind. However somebody else had to realize gravity was needed. That mean an outside mind has to setup everything.
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Ok, so you want extrapolate these tiny little micro changes into making us believe that evolution built and produced the entire plant and animal kingdom we have today.Techno2000:
Lactase persistence. Various high altitude adaptations. Apo A-I Milano. HbC. HIV resistance. There are plenty. Going back into the past there were smallpox resistance and others.
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And who set up that outside mind? An intelligent mind is more complex than gravity. If complexity requires a mind to design it, then what meta-mind designed the mind of your proposed designer?
Evolution is simple enough that it does not require a mind, and it is capable of increasing complexity in a population of imperfect replicators with resource constraints.
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John10
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You have it wrong. Simply because we cannot see X-rays does not mean are eyes are not well designed. If you think so you will have to prove it.
Unlike any camera made by man, the retina can automatically change its sensitivity to brightness over a range of ten billion to one! The retina’s light-sensitive cells (photoreceptors) can perceive a range of light, from bright sunlit snow to a single photon (the smallest unit of light). The eye also has the amazing ability to assemble and repair itself, unlike manmade cameras.
If you think a man made camera is superior to our eyes show your proof.
Incorrect, duplications are the result of duplicating existing genetic information, and mutations alter existing genetic information (whether original or duplicated). Neither of them adds new information.
Mutations alter a current functional system (i.e., nutrient transport) in the bacteria that is the target of the antibiotic such that the bacteria are no longer affected by the antibiotic. It has come at the cost of that functional system performing its original function inefficiently or not at all.
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The most logical conclusion is no one, the buck has to stop somewhere or we would be endlessly looking for that superior mind and going nowhere. That would naturally imply this super intelligent being is also eternal.
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The route was intelligently designed with no consideration for the odds of even step 1 or 2 or 3, etc…
I will call out bogus science when I see it. So yes, I will criticize it.
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Yes, the rare occurrences of beneficial mutations for short term survival advantage make the organism less fit to be able to survive long term. We definately should study the long term effects of these rare beneficial ones.
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Yes, that’s it in a nutshell…these magical speculated beneficial mutations that can do it all.
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No, I have it right. Man made cameras can be superior (the word you used above) at detecting X-rays, ultra violet and infra red. Human eyes are not designed, they evolved. Just compare a human eye with a chimpanzee eye – they are the same. Both evolved from our common ancestor.
Can you see X-rays? No. Can a man-made camera? Yes. The human eye is inferior as an X-ray detector.
Unfortunately for you, the method of calculating Shannon information is well known. Simple duplication increases Shannon information. Duplication followed by a mutation in one copy increases Kolmogorov information as well. Just such a process formed our haemoglobin genes, as well as myoglobin, and a number of broken globin pseudogenes. The evidence is there in our DNA. See Evolution of Hemoglobin and Its Genes.
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So, the basic premise of ID is incorrect. Something extremely complex (your eternal intelligence) exists yet was not itself intelligently designed. Thank you for that succinct refutation of the ID hypothesis.
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You say “rare”. Lactase persistence is not rare. Roughly one third of the human population has one or other version of lactase persistence – about 2 billion people.
You are forgetting the effect of natural selection which makes an initially rare beneficial mutation common.
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Yes it was rare. Of course it has persisted in the population. You missed the point.
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We are talking about a transcendent intelligent mind.John10:
And who set up that outside mind? An intelligent mind is more complex than gravity. If complexity requires a mind to design it, then what meta-mind designed the mind of your proposed designer?
Evolution is simple enough that it does not require a mind, and it is capable of increasing complexity in a population of imperfect replicators with resource constraints.
A patheistic view is that the universe itself is that mind. Its rational structure, its thoughts in other words, include not only the laws of physics, but feelings and actions which encompass the material. At a spiritual or existential level, which subsumes all of this, would be the separation or forgetfullness of the whole, which believes itself to be the many. Within that framework, the universe creates or discovers itself, as one being.
The theistic view holds there to be a creator, who is separate from his creation.
Deistic thinking sees god as totally tanscendent, creating the first things, and allowing them to follow their own course.
God is simple and triune in nature. He is perfect relationality, a loving Divine relationship wherein the Father begets the Son, with the Holy Spirit, a mutual act of giving from each to the other. God has created the universe step by step, beginning with light and the heavens and ending with humankind. Keeping a long story as short as I can, we share in His love. We, each of us, exists as one being, relating to what is other to us through our perceptions, our feelings, thoughts and actions. In order to express our human capacities, we require a body, which is an aspect of the spiritual psychosomatic unity that is the person. Our potential to determine temporally who we are within eternity requires a complex structure. That said, we are simply ourselves. As human beings, and as our brains wither, if we live long enough, we find it more and more difficult to find the physical capacities, the words and/or memories to express who we are. Created as we are in the image of God, we can find within ourselves, who He is. The point is that God is not a thing, but the Source of all things, Existence itself, which is Truth, Beauty and Love.
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