Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Wozza:
In the first instance you already know that theories can’t be proved. So your suggestion is not viable.
This theory is already considered to be true by the world.
Well done, T. Now can you tell us all what you consider to be the difference between ‘considered to be true’ and ‘proved’? It appears to be zero. But I want to give you the opportunity to show that you know what you’re talking about.
 
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Wozza:
In the first instance you already know that theories can’t be proved. So your suggestion is not viable.
This theory is already considered to be true by the world.
Well done, T. Now can you tell us all what you consider to be the difference between ‘considered to be true’ and ‘proved’? It appears to be zero. But I want to give you the opportunity to show that you know what you’re talking about.
Only a tiny few ever bring up the question of proof.
 
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Wozza:
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Wozza:
In the first instance you already know that theories can’t be proved. So your suggestion is not viable.
This theory is already considered to be true by the world.
Well done, T. Now can you tell us all what you consider to be the difference between ‘considered to be true’ and ‘proved’? It appears to be zero. But I want to give you the opportunity to show that you know what you’re talking about.
Only a tiny few ever bring up the question of proof.
What?

Theories cannot be proved. Whether they are considered to be true or not.
 
There is ID, the philosophy and ID, the science. It is testable and falsifiable
Others have taken you to task on this and I agree with them
unlike a one time event like evolution.
There’s nothing in the natural universe that can’t be tested, it’s just a matter of figuring a way to do it. Any theory that can be articulated in testable terms is open to falsification. Special creation can’t be falsified because it’s supernatural intervention. Everything in the universe has a natural cause, at least from our perspective. So there’s no way to detect supernatural intervention. It’s faith.
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your question would be what it is that “pushed us over the edge into self-awareness and rational thought?”
Yes. But I’m speaking within nature. I appreciate the supernatural creation of the human soul and accompanying aspects. But I’m wondering how this touches the natural. Are reason and self-awareness purely supernatural (drawing their qualities from outside of the universe) or do our advanced brains have something to do with it? If the former, we might as well be donkeys. If the later, we can expect other creatures are capable of evolving past where we are now.

Put another way, we have faith that God created the universe. But practically speaking, the universe was built up and operates through natural laws. Likewise, we have faith that God created the soul. But how does that work in the natural?

Or put another way: Religion is Why and What. Science is How.
Interestingly, I seem to have a different impression of who it is that is “really reaching here for something that doesn’t actually exist in the text”.
When I read that excerpt I walked away the same understanding Wozza did. I don’t know how you can read it differently.
 
We have DNA, common traits and leftover features from other hominids. It’s clear we have common ancestry. If Adam was the first soulful Man, it logically follows that his predecessor had no soul…
 
As I mentioned before, I’m not qualified to evaluate the material in 9842. I listened to the audio at the timestamp you suggested and shook my head. That’s argument from incredulity.
 
You can’t show that. I am unconvinced that hominids were related to us. Based on my research, they were animals, not human ancestors.
 
Science has limits. The Church does not. Science can only detect so much. It is not the only source of knowledge. The Church can combine science and theology to provide the whole, complete answer.
 
You’re right I can’t, but only because I’m not competently versed in the science to argue it (though I suspect others here might be). There’s an overwhelming amount of data from multiple fields of research that supports common ancestry. It takes more faith to not believe it. So I’d turn around and ask you why you don’t?
Science has limits. The Church does not. Science can only detect so much. It is not the only source of knowledge. The Church can combine science and theology to provide the whole, complete answer.
No disagreement.
 
MV is totally hypothetical, but that’s an interesting thought. 🙂 If it existed it would be natural, but it would it be this natural? I’m tempted to say yes, but my current beliefs about reality don’t include a MV. So I’ll pass.
It seems the evolutionist Royal Society can’t come to grips with the evidence for design in biology.
That’s not the fault of science.
Common descent yes, universal common descent, no.
That’s faith .
 
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