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That’s why steam comes out their ears when one asks a detailed question.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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No, the science is not founded on metaphor. The metaphor is only a tool for explanation of the theory. You can change metaphors without changing the theory.Bradskii:
In denial? I understand, knowing how important the “Tree” metaphor was to the claim that man evolved from bugs.
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The explanation of evolution it done by simplified speculated pictures and drawings.
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Really? That’s not very satisfactory, is it. Surely it would be better if it were explained by books and scientific papers. Books, preferably, because then one could look up “Coats, concept of” in the index.
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Apparently, man is the only species that has to invent and create something on his own, just to be fit for his environment.Techno2000:
Really? That’s not very satisfactory, is it. Surely it would be better if it were explained by books and scientific papers. Books, preferably, because then one could look up “Coats, concept of” in the index.
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That’s his fault for changing his environment so extensively and in such a short period of time. In his African homeland he doesn’t need coats. Of course he has been able to adapt in some ways — skin colour, fat layers etc — to his new environments, but his ability to “create something on his own” may well mean growing fur would not give him a reproductive advantage.
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Even in African man had to create and invent huts to protect himself from the rain, so they could go to sleep.Techno2000:
That’s his fault for changing his environment so extensively and in such a short period of time. In his African homeland he doesn’t need coats. Of course he has been able to adapt in some ways — skin colour, fat layers etc — to his new environments, but his ability to “create something on his own” may well mean growing fur would not give him a reproductive advantage.
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Indeed. Many species create homes for themselves. Wonderful, isn’t it?
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No, scientists are well advised to not use metaphors in the first instance. The predictive power of a theory should depend on the soundness of the data and argument; not by extending the metaphor. Don’t change it; just get rid of it.
In summary, an accurate use of language in science is very helpful to reasoning, logic, understanding, and to communication between scientists, and between scientists and many other readers. Leave ‘Selfish Genes’ and the like to popular science writers, as such metaphors are not useful within the scientific community.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/298246895_The_Use_and_Misuse_of_Metaphors_in_Research
What started as a simple metaphor from Genesis – the Tree of Life – got a life of its own. The metaphor (not the science) was incorrectly elevated to become the framework for future investigation.
The Tree of Life thus provides a rigorous framework to guide research in all biological subdisciplines, and it is therefore an ideal model for the organization of biological knowledge.
Let’s hope that the “root” diggers will now give it a rest.
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Where you see a flaw, I see an advantage. Man’s intellect has allowed him to survive in places he could not otherwise. Whereas the desert fix would die if he migrated to the arctic, a man can use his tools and live.Apparently, man is the only species that has to invent and create something on his own, just to be fit for his environment.
@Aloysium, it’s a rather just day for me. It may be a while before I read the article.
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Yeah…Lol, I would love to have seen all their transitional homes, like when evolution was first teaching them on what’s the best materials to use, how to build a roof , best location ,etc…Techno2000:
Indeed. Many species create homes for themselves. Wonderful, isn’t it?
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Well, if we’re talking about man, his intelligence would have done the trick, and it’s his intelligence that evolved. Though, of course, the design of his homes has certainly evolved (not in the biological sense, of course) and can be seen in its various forms to this day.Yeah…Lol, I would love to have seen all their transitional homes, like when evolution was first teaching them on what’s the best materials to use, how to build a roof , best location ,etc…
If you mean other species, I suppose watching rabbitkind evolve the instinct to burrow would be mildly interesting but perhaps not quite as humorous as you suggest.
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So, there is something different that sets man apart from other animals ?
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You thought that pie representation was somehow different to the tree. It is EXACTLY the same. Pick any metazoa from the three o’clock position (that’s you by the way) and follow it back and where do you get to? Just near the point where bacteria and archaea split? Do you see where EVERYTHING has evolved from that point?Bradskii:
In denial? I understand, knowing how important the “Tree” metaphor was to the claim that man evolved from bugs. But there you have it.
And you can do that whether you draw the diagram as a tree or a bush or a pie. They are drawn like that as a relatively simple metaphor for people with limited understanding of the complexity of the science that is behind the theory to understand. It’s generally drawn thus so children can have a grasp at the concepts. It’s NOT a scientific means of explanation.
If you think that the diagram that repesents evolutionary life is actually simple enough to be accurately represented by a few lines on an A4 Asheet then you are again confirming how much you do not know of the subject. Just as Buffalo does when he gets up on his soap box and yells ‘It’s not a tree…it’s a bush!’ Like he’s having a Charlton Heston moment a la Soylent Green.
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I’m going to start collecting these. There’s definately an article in it. Maybe a book.PickyPicky:
Yeah…Lol, I would love to have seen all their transitional homes, like when evolution was first teaching them on what’s the best materials to use, how to build a roof , best location ,etc…Techno2000:
Indeed. Many species create homes for themselves. Wonderful, isn’t it?
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Do you have any evidence that man’s intelligence has evolved?
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I see no reason to distinguish man’s intelligence in this regard from all the other faculties of man which have evolved. Do you?
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Do you think the spider first started out digging a little hole in the ground for its prey to fall into, and then it threw a crude net/web over it ? I mean it had to slowly learn how to use it’s new web making abilities somehow…right ?Techno2000:
I’m going to start collecting these. There’s definately an article in it. Maybe a book.PickyPicky:
Yeah…Lol, I would love to have seen all their transitional homes, like when evolution was first teaching them on what’s the best materials to use, how to build a roof , best location ,etc…Techno2000:
Indeed. Many species create homes for themselves. Wonderful, isn’t it?
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Sorry. Rejected. There’s a problem in that you’ve set the bar too low for just run-of-the-mill nonsensical comments to make the grade.
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