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BoyGenius
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Ha! I must use ten characters in my response, even though the word I want to use is just two letters.
Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Ha! I must use ten characters in my response, even though the word I want to use is just two letters.
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Hugh_Farey
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Iām not sure this is a meaningful question. Why should anyone believe in anything? Because some model of the world fulfils the need to make sense of it for practical or philosophical purposes. My reason for believing in education is that that I want to make sense of the observations I make of the living world around me and the remains of the living world found in the ground. If you do not want to make sense of the world around you, or have a better explanation that satisfies you, then there is no need to believe it all.
This depends what you mean by true. I find evolution a satisfactory explanation for some phenomena. Thatās what subjective truth is. Objective truth may be impossible to obtain, but as long as sufficient numbers have the same objective truth, that will do very well for the time being.
Fine.
This may be a reason for āarguingā evolution, but it cannot be the reason they believe it in the first place You cannot decide that a belief is silly or superstitious unless you have a better alternative belief. Of course, once convinced of the better belief, one may then want to āargueā for it in order to show other people that it is better than theirs, especially if theirs is harmful.
I donāt think anybody thinks Christianity as a way of life is silly or superstitious, but they may think that some of its practices are.
Well, thatās what you believe. Others may disagree. The Youtube video mentioned on this very site a few days ago, of a good Catholic burglar making the sign of the cross before robbing a house comes to mind.
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Hugh_Farey
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You should try not to pass value judgements on people who believe something different from you just because you know better than they do. They may have been practising whatever they do for years, to the great comfort and satisfaction of their āpatientsā.
I fear youāre going completely off the rails here. āNew Agismā is a late 20th century western phenomenon that has nothing to do with Hitler, Hirohito, Stalin or the rest. It derives entirely from Christianity, and is in general pacifist. Iām not sure what you meant, but New Agism is not it.
Forgive me, but I find that the loss of syntactical cohesion in a post frequently reflects a loss of philosophical cohesion in the mind of the poster. I fear your pronouncements from here become too meaningless to be sensibly commented upon. If you want to communicate something, perhaps youād like to restate it in such a manner as to enable the recipient to understand it as clearly as the deliverer.
The rest of your comments appear to be a succession of unjustified rants against atheism. They may be true, but they have nothing to do with evolution.
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Hugh_Farey
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Really? There are no mentions of bad apples in the Bible, only good ones.
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Dan123
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More over the important part of what you said was that science DOES weed out the bad apples. And thatās keeping with the meaning of the saying.
Some people come along and see discarded apples and conclude all apples must be rotten, meanwhile the way we determine bad apples is by comparing them to good ones.
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Is Theistic Evolution Truly Plausible?
The footnote that Pope Pius XII includes here is significant. It is from an address that he himself gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1941. Citing this footnote made it part of the official text of Humani Generis. [25] In this address, Pope Pius XII said: āOnly from man could there come another man who would then call him father and ancestor; and the helpmate given by God to the first man came from man himself and is flesh from his flesh, made into a woman and called such because she came from man (Gen 2:23)ā (emphasis mine). [26]
Consequently, when Pope Pius XII used the words āpre-existent living matter,ā he was carefully distinguishing between natural and special transformationāleaving the door open to the latter (with a firm exhortation to exercise the utmost caution), but not to the former. [27] Likewise, Pope John Paul II, in his 1996 address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences cited these very same words, āpre-existent living matter,ā from Pope Pius XII, and thus did not open the already closed door to natural transformism. [28]
http://www.staycatholic.com/is_theistic_evolution_truly_plausible.htm
The footnote that Pope Pius XII includes here is significant. It is from an address that he himself gave to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1941. Citing this footnote made it part of the official text of Humani Generis. [25] In this address, Pope Pius XII said: āOnly from man could there come another man who would then call him father and ancestor; and the helpmate given by God to the first man came from man himself and is flesh from his flesh, made into a woman and called such because she came from man (Gen 2:23)ā (emphasis mine). [26]
Consequently, when Pope Pius XII used the words āpre-existent living matter,ā he was carefully distinguishing between natural and special transformationāleaving the door open to the latter (with a firm exhortation to exercise the utmost caution), but not to the former. [27] Likewise, Pope John Paul II, in his 1996 address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences cited these very same words, āpre-existent living matter,ā from Pope Pius XII, and thus did not open the already closed door to natural transformism. [28]
http://www.staycatholic.com/is_theistic_evolution_truly_plausible.htm
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edwest211
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Thank you, buffalo.
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Hugh_Farey
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Well, at least it was short! And by its own criteria, entirely plausible. However, since it made no mention whatever of scientific observations, and relied exclusively on documents determined that no evolution, let alone theistic evolution was at all probable, it was hardly a reasoned argument. More an expression of faith. Well fair enough. My faith is different.
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Hope1960
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I think there are posters here who believe the earth is flat.
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Hope1960
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Youāve been unable to prove that.
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buffalo
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Macro-evolution does not happen.
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buffalo
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āEvolution is promoted by its practitioners as more than mere science. "Evolution is promulgated as an ideology, a secular religionāa full-fledged alternative to Christianity, with meaning and morality. I am an ardent evolutionist and an ex-Christian, but I must admit that in this one complaintāand Mr. Gish is but one of many to make itāthe literalists are absolutely right. Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.āā Ruse, M., āHow evolution became a religion: creationists correct? Darwinians wrongly mix science with morality, politicsā Michael Ruse
What I have been saying and many denyingā¦
What I have been saying and many denyingā¦
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buffalo
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Darwinism as Religion
What Literature Tells Us about Evolution
Michael Ruse
Argues that the theory of evolution given by Charles Darwin in the nineteenth century has always functioned as much as a secular form of religion as anything purely scientific
Through the words of novelists and poets, Michael Ruse argues that Darwin took us from the secure world of Christian faith into a darker, less friendly world of chance and lack of meaning
An accessible and entertaining guide through a serious topic
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What Literature Tells Us about Evolution
Michael Ruse
Argues that the theory of evolution given by Charles Darwin in the nineteenth century has always functioned as much as a secular form of religion as anything purely scientific
Through the words of novelists and poets, Michael Ruse argues that Darwin took us from the secure world of Christian faith into a darker, less friendly world of chance and lack of meaning
An accessible and entertaining guide through a serious topic
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Dan123
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Because evolution doesnāt say anything about morality.
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mVitus
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And thatās why itās important for to say the āevolution is hereticalā crowd is wrong and explain that evolution and science can be compatible with faith.
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mVitus
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Macro-evolution does happen.
I win. Right? Made a statement without explanation as if it was fact and therefore itās true.
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Dan123
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āMacro-evolution does happen.ā - mVitus, 2018
Now I too win, as Iāve quoted someone who made a statement I agree with.
Now I too win, as Iāve quoted someone who made a statement I agree with.
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buffalo
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This entire thread has been about whether it happens or not. Catch up please.
No one from your side has showed any empirical proof of macro-evolution. It does not exist.
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More importantly, The Catholic Church says this at the highest levels. This is not a matter of lay opinion on this forum, itās a view shared by Popes and theologians at the highest levels.goout:
And thatās why itās important for to say the āevolution is hereticalā crowd is wrong and explain that evolution and science can be compatible with faith.
Itās not fruitful to wander off to your own island.
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buffalo
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Micro-evolution is not an issue. I have not seen a Magisterial pronouncement on macro-evolution specifically. Have you?
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