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You find it hard to believe that the sun exists? You find it hard to believe that the planet earth exists?
Strange.
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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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edwest
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Bacteria have a built-in mechanism called Horizontal Gene Transfer. And they remain bacteria. They don’t sprout arms and legs. And it doesn’t take millions of years.
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buffalo
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No, it is micro. You are trying to smuggle this in to your circular macro and species definition.
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rossum
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Horizontal gene transfer is one of the mechanisms of evolution. Observing HGT happening is observing evolution happening. Anything that changes an organism’s DNA (as HGT does) is a random mutation affecting that organism.
And we remained mammals (and eukaryotes) when we evolved from our non-human ancestors. You really need to learn a bit about cladistics before parroting phrases like that. Have you any idea what, “And they remain eukaryotes” means, and what range of organisms it covers?
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“non-human ancestors”? I can see why you think that but it can’t be proven.
In the book, Benedict reflected on a 1996 comment of his predecessor, John Paul II, who said that Charles Darwin’s theories on evolution were sound, as long as they took into account that creation was the work of God, and that Darwin’s theory of evolution was “more than a hypothesis.”
“The pope (John Paul) had his reasons for saying this,” Benedict said. “But it is also true that the theory of evolution is not a complete, scientifically proven theory.”
Benedict added that the immense time span that evolution covers made it impossible to conduct experiments in a controlled environment to finally verify or disprove the theory.
“We cannot haul 10,000 generations into the laboratory,” he said.
In the book, Benedict reflected on a 1996 comment of his predecessor, John Paul II, who said that Charles Darwin’s theories on evolution were sound, as long as they took into account that creation was the work of God, and that Darwin’s theory of evolution was “more than a hypothesis.”
“The pope (John Paul) had his reasons for saying this,” Benedict said. “But it is also true that the theory of evolution is not a complete, scientifically proven theory.”
Benedict added that the immense time span that evolution covers made it impossible to conduct experiments in a controlled environment to finally verify or disprove the theory.
“We cannot haul 10,000 generations into the laboratory,” he said.
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Did I ever say it wasn’t microevolution? I claimed that the bacteria evolved. They did. Not once did I claim macroevolution, all I claimed was that evolution happened.
Your point is irrelevant. Those bacteria evolved to adapt to a new environment containing a new chemical.
By all means criticise what I say. Do not criticise me for something I did not say.
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rossum
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This is incorrect, and I have pointed out the error to you before. Lenski has run over 50,000 generations in the laboratory. Why do you continue to post incorrect information after the error has been pointed out to you?
Why on earth do you think such an obvious error will convince me? All you are doing is to make me less likely to accept what you say.
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Aloysium
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Where that’s been possible, 66,000 actually by November 2016, bacteria remained bacteria. Proof that evolution can happen according to some people, it seems. Go figure.
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buffalo
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And the Pope is correct. We cannot haul the past 10,000 generations into the lab. And you know exactly this as we have discussed this before.
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buffalo
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And they already had the ability to digest citrate before. Only one flask of the twelve can now digest it in the presence of oxygen and no oxygen. This is known as adaptation, micro-evolution, which no one argues against.
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buffalo
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We agree then it was micro-evolution?
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Like I wrote, the bacteria remain bacteria, and they can even exchange bits of genetic material with other species of bacteria. Now, if they sprouted arms and legs… but they don’t.
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rossum
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So you have no problem with humans descending from amoeba, “eukaryotes remain eukaryotes” after all.
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edwest
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Blind unguided chance has the numbers stacked against it. In the case of man, there are definite issues that don’t involve science.
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Right , like how man can analyze and think deeper than any animal.And disregard any notion that we are a product of evolution.If we are a product of evolution then our minds shouldn’t be able to think be beyond that, to things greater than evolution.But the mind can think of things greater than evolution, like being part of a special creation.
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Ha, trying the ol’ it is all evolution so therefore macro is true. Not. Nice try though…
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And it didn’t take millions of years. The more they find out the less they know.
More diversity than before: Indications for recovery after ecosystem pollution
Lake Constance, one of the largest freshwater lakes in Europe, suffered from eutrophication, or nutrient contamination caused by agricultural and waste water run-off in the mid-1900s. A study has now revealed that one European whitefish species expanded its genetic variation through...
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You are correct. But what does that have to do with evolution? Natural selection is not “blind unguided chance”. Your point is irrelevant in this thread on evolution.
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