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BlessedBe13 said:
www.wicca.com
religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

I have no interest in looking up the pages of people who think that Wicca is all about magic and love spells, so I’m not going to waste my time with that, but the above sites are rather informative.
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I will look at both the sites in depth tommorrow. I have already skimmed the second site and it looks close to what I used to believe. Thanks for posting them.
 
BlessedBe13 said:
www.wicca.com
religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

I have no interest in looking up the pages of people who think that Wicca is all about magic and love spells, so I’m not going to waste my time with that, but the above sites are rather informative.
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Blessedbe, When are you going to stop serving this God you have created to fit your lifestyle? It,s the oldest sin in the book called idolatry. :eek: Have you no fear of Gods wrath? Remember Hell is for those who reject Gods mercy. Whether you believe in Hell or not does not change the fact that it exists. Hell is dark and gloomy,there is torment,nashing of teeth,foul smelling,pain,suffering ,burning of flesh,screaming,ect. Dont bring tears to the Lords eyes.All will come before God upon death and judgement will be handed out.Dont wait until its to late.God has spoken to you many times through His vessels. I plead with you to reconsider your belief in your false God. Hell is for eternity. Repent and turn to the Lord and ask for forgiveness. He will not disappoint you. 😦
 
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Ahimsa:
So, if Hitler’s will is to destroy the Jews, and if the U.S. overcomes Hitler’s will, even though the U.S. Army is doing a good thing, it is actually an overtly evil thing? Egocentric and all that?
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No. There is a world of difference between thwarting someone’s will (which is what the US did to Hitler) and monkeying with the person’s will (which is what the magic spells supposedly do). The former recognizes that the person has made a mistake (or worse) and takes steps to make sure that the person does not accomplish what he has set out to do. The latter removes the person’s free will and thus dehumanizes the person. So yes, overcoming someone’s will in the sense that a magic spell supposedly does is overtly evil, even if you are trying to get the person to do something good. The end does not justify the means.
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BlessedBe13:
Part of Wiccan belief is not to perform magic that exerts power over another or is destructive (part of “harming none” is not to be manipulative or otherwise exert power over others.) Love spells are a good example for the reasons you brought up.
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Hi BlessedBe13 -

Could you explain a love spell? How does it work? What does it do?

Also, your statement, “Love spells are a good example for the reasons you brought up.” seems to be agreeing with me. Is this what you meant? Or am I misreading it? Are you really disagreeing?

Subrosa
 
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BlessedBe13:
It isn’t ancient. I knew that going into it. Christianity and every other religion was made up at some point to. .
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Christianity was not created-at least not by man.🙂
 
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Subrosa:
Hi BlessedBe13 -

Could you explain a love spell? How does it work? What does it do?

Also, your statement, “Love spells are a good example for the reasons you brought up.” seems to be agreeing with me. Is this what you meant? Or am I misreading it? Are you really disagreeing?

Subrosa
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I think that she is saying that casting a love spell is wrong. At least, I seem to remember that love spells were frowned upon in most of the Wiccan literature that I used to read.(almost twenty years ago)
 
Isn’;t it true that if a “Christian” dabbles in Wicca that “Christian” is breaking the 1st Commandment? “:Put no other Gods before me.”:
 
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Isn’;t it true that if a “Christian” dabbles in Wicca that “Christian” is breaking the 1st Commandment? “:Put no other Gods before me.”:
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I would think so.😦 I would be seriously worried about anyone that called themself a Christian and dabbled in Wicca. Are you making the comment because you personally know someone that is trying to claim that they are both Wiccans and Christians?
 
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deb1:
I would think so.😦 I would be seriously worried about anyone that called themself a Christian and dabbled in Wicca. Are you making the comment because you personally know someone that is trying to claim that they are both Wiccans and Christians?
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First and foremost, Wicca is a religion. A Christian “dablling” in Wicca is akin to Muslim dabbling in Judaism. You can’t really do it without detracting from the principles of your primary faith.

Wicca call upon the power of their God and Goddess, or sometimes lesser beings such as elementals, to empower their wishes and through their own will demand a change in the universe. Such is the ultimate nature of their spellcasting. Guided by the law of three which says that anything you send out will come back to you three fold, they endevour only to work magic that is beneficial lest they curse themselves in the process. Bound by the rule of, “an’ it harm none, do what though wilst,” they profess to live by a righteous moral compass.

Unfortunately, there is no outside authority to truly determine what is right or wrong and I have seen MANY wicca justify immoral actions to support what their own subjective opinions consider to be a greater good. This is the problem with Relativism: when the truth is maliable, right and wrong are interchangable and are easily confused. For these reasons, Wicca and Catholicism are completely incompatible and can’t both be adhered to by a single individual.
 
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return2truth:
First and foremost, Wicca is a religion. A Christian “dablling” in Wicca is akin to Muslim dabbling in Judaism. You can’t really do it without detracting from the principles of your primary faith.

Wicca call upon the power of their God and Goddess, or sometimes lesser beings such as elementals, to empower their wishes and through their own will demand a change in the universe. Such is the ultimate nature of their spellcasting. Guided by the law of three which says that anything you send out will come back to you three fold, they endevour only to work magic that is beneficial lest they curse themselves in the process. Bound by the rule of, “an’ it harm none, do what though wilst,” they profess to live by a righteous moral compass.

Unfortunately, there is no outside authority to truly determine what is right or wrong and I have seen MANY wicca justify immoral actions to support what their own subjective opinions consider to be a greater good. This is the problem with Relativism: when the truth is maliable, right and wrong are interchangable and are easily confused. For these reasons, Wicca and Catholicism are completely incompatible and can’t both be adhered to by a single individual.
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I think that this was very well said and I am in complete agreement with you. This is also sounds like a pretty adequate description of my beliefs twenty years ago. I envy people that were born in a Catholic family and didn’t have such a long journey-as I did- to discover God.
 
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BlessedBe13:
You can’t. I know I don’t practice an ancient religion. Does it matter?
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Yes. Let’s say I believe H. P. Lovecraft was right and I decide that Cthulhuism is the way to go. So I, brother Hrolf establish myself as the high priest of the church of Cthulhu and by borrowing a little ritual here and a little philosophy there, write a book entitled “The Necronomicon” which attracts many adherents from science fiction conventions. (Sounds like L. Ron Hubbard, right?). Does this make it an authentic religion? What makes Gardner any different from me or L. Ron Hubbard under this scenario? I could run around all day long chanting, “ia, ia, Chtulhu fthagen” and what is it going to get me? Christianity wasn’t “invented”. It didn’t spring from the mind of Gardner, Hrolf, or Hubbard. Jesus Christ was an historical figure who lived, breathed and walked this Earth. He is not the invention of a late Victorian Englishman.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Blessedbe, When are you going to stop serving this God you have created to fit your lifestyle? It,s the oldest sin in the book called idolatry. :eek: Have you no fear of Gods wrath? Remember Hell is for those who reject Gods mercy. Whether you believe in Hell or not does not change the fact that it exists. Hell is dark and gloomy,there is torment,nashing of teeth,foul smelling,pain,suffering ,burning of flesh,screaming,ect. Dont bring tears to the Lords eyes.All will come before God upon death and judgement will be handed out.Dont wait until its to late.God has spoken to you many times through His vessels. I plead with you to reconsider your belief in your false God. Hell is for eternity. Repent and turn to the Lord and ask for forgiveness. He will not disappoint you. 😦
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Sorry. Scare tactics don’t work on me.
 
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Subrosa:
Hi BlessedBe13 -

Could you explain a love spell? How does it work? What does it do?

Also, your statement, “Love spells are a good example for the reasons you brought up.” seems to be agreeing with me. Is this what you meant? Or am I misreading it? Are you really disagreeing?

Subrosa
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The love spells I was referring to are those targeted to make another person fall in love with you. This is manipulation of another and something that is against my beliefs.

I was agreeing with you in your comments because even IF a love spell was successfully performed, how would you know if it really was love, or if it was just the spell taking affect? I don’t know about some people, but I know that would really kill my self-esteem/self-worth, knowing that the only way I could get someone to love me was through manipulation. I think anyone that could live with that would have to be a very selfish person and probably wouldn’t really be in love with the person they manipulated.

What if a love spell was successfully performed and the person who cast it got tired of the target of the spell? Are they just going to throw the other person away, and completely crush them? What if the other person becomes obsessive, starts stalking them, becomes controlling?

I don’t see how anything good could come from that type of spell. :mad:
 
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deb1:
Christianity was not created-at least not by man.🙂
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Yes it was. All religions were. Even if some religions were created by divine inspiration, they were all created by men.
 
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deb1:
Are you making the comment because you personally know someone that is trying to claim that they are both Wiccans and Christians?
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Which is impossible to do. Although they may share some similarities (note: I am NOT saying they are the same at all), they are two distinctly different religions. One is either Wiccan or Christian. It is possible to combine elements of the two, but then you are neither. You are something completely different all together.
 
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BlessedBe13:
Yes it was. All religions were. Even if some religions were created by divine inspiration, they were all created by men.
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That is, of course, your opinion. Saying it so does not necessarily make it true though.
 
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return2truth:
Wicca call upon the power of their God and Goddess, or sometimes lesser beings such as elementals, to empower their wishes and through their own will demand a change in the universe. Such is the ultimate nature of their spellcasting.
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That is actually not the point of Wicca. Wicca is a religion, witchcraft/spellcasting is a practice not associated with any particular religion. Some Wiccans may practice magic, but not all do. Wiccans worship/honor a God and Goddess, and some *may *call upon elementals for spells, but not all Wiccans practice magic. Wiccans also do not demand anything from God, Goddess, nature, etc. Another important belief in Wicca is to work with nature and/or deity, not to try to control it or demand anything.
Unfortunately, there is no outside authority to truly determine what is right or wrong and I have seen MANY wicca justify immoral actions to support what their own subjective opinions consider to be a greater good.
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Which is why it is taught to seriously think of the consequences if and before casting any spell. If one has to jump through hoops to try and justify their actions, chances are it’s not for the greater good of anything but themselves.
 
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Milliardo:
That is, of course, your opinion. Saying it so does not necessarily make it true though.
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Agreed. But saying that Christianity is the only true religion and was created by God is also an opinion, and just because Christians say it does not make it true.
 
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