Widow's Marriage question

[oecclesia]

I am a Catholic widow. I was married prior: My 1st marriage was annuled, my 2nd marriage was in the Church and my husband died 2 years ago.
I am engaged to a non-Catholic Christian man who is divorced (civil) from a Catholic woman for problems with conjugation.
Can we marry in the Church? Or is he (a non-Catholic) required to receive annulment?
Thank you,
Oecclesia

 

[kage_ar]

The man you are engaged to is not free to date/marry.

He may ask the tribunal to review his marriage and see if it is valid.

Don’t be romantic with him until he is free to marry.

 

[Catholic1954]

If you plan to marry in the Catholic Church, you need to make an appointment ASAP with a priest to discuss your situation. He will be able to answer your questions and assist with the annulment process.

 

[w2bp88]

1. He needs an annulment.
2. You can’t have a sacramental marriage and receive the blessings because he is not Catholic.

 

[Phemie]

1. He needs an annulment.

True.

1. You can’t have a sacramental marriage and receive the blessings because he is not Catholic.

False. She said he was a Christian. Usually that means that someone is baptized and if so, and he is granted a decree of nullity, then they can certainly have a sacramental marriage.

 

[Seatuck]

1. He needs an annulment.
2. You can’t have a sacramental marriage and receive the blessings because he is not Catholic.

If he receives an annulment they can be married with a dispensation and it will be a Sacrament.

 

[Joe_Kelley]

Was his first marriage in the Catholic Church? If not it may be easy to resolve as a defect in form since the Catholic woman would have been required to follow Church law for a valid marriage.

If it was done according to Catholic law then he must petition for a decree of nullity and show that there was something at the time of the marriage that made it invalid. He will need help from the Tribunal to ascertain that.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I am a Catholic widow. I was married prior: My 1st marriage was annuled, my 2nd marriage was in the Church and my husband died 2 years ago.
I am engaged to a non-Catholic Christian man who is divorced (civil) from a Catholic woman for problems with conjugation.
Can we marry in the Church? Or is he (a non-Catholic) required to receive annulment?
Thank you,
Oecclesia

You are free to enter into another Marriage, he however is not. By attempting a Marriage to him you would be entering into an adulterous relationship.

 

[puzzleannie]

I am a Catholic widow. I was married prior: My 1st marriage was annuled, my 2nd marriage was in the Church and my husband died 2 years ago.
I am engaged to a non-Catholic Christian man who is divorced (civil) from a Catholic woman for problems with conjugation.
Can we marry in the Church? Or is he (a non-Catholic) required to receive annulment?
Thank you,
Oecclesia

I have no idea what that problem is. If you are a widow and neither husband is still alive you are free to marry and free to approach the sacraments. If your friend has been married before he is still considered validly married by the Catholic Church until proven otherwise, so you cannot yet become engaged. He must submit the facts of his previous marriage to the canon law tribunal of the diocese to investigate the first marriage and judge its validity. If he married a Catholic who neglected to follow Church law on marriage, it may very well be invalid due to lack of form, but there is no way to know until he meets with your priest and sorts this out. Until the Church says he is free to marry, you cannot enter into a romantic relationship with him.

 

[w2bp88]

If he receives an annulment they can be married with a dispensation and it will be a Sacrament.

No, they need express permission of an ecclesiastic authority and express dispensation for their marriage to be considered valid. This is a disparity of cult because it is between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic.

 

[Phemie]

No, they need express permission of an ecclesiastic authority and express dispensation for their marriage to be considered valid. This is a disparity of cult because it is between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic.

Disparity of cult is when a Catholic marries a non-baptized person - that requires a dispensation.

A Catholic marrying a baptized non-Catholic is entering a simple mixed marriage and only permission is required – in my diocese that permission is granted by the pastor. A simple mixed marriage is sacramental.

Both these types of mixed marriages may require another dispensation, one from canonical form, if they want the wedding to be celebrated by the non-Catholic’s pastor/minister or they want a civil ceremony.

 

[anjoh66]

Disparity of cult is when a Catholic marries a non-baptized person - that requires a dispensation.

A Catholic marrying a baptized non-Catholic is entering a simple mixed marriage and only permission is required – in my diocese that permission is granted by the pastor. A simple mixed marriage is sacramental.

Both these types of mixed marriages may require another dispensation, one from canonical form, if they want the wedding to be celebrated by the non-Catholic’s pastor/minister or they want a civil ceremony.

I agree, since i am considering marriage to a pentecostal woman i brought this issue to the deacon who is holding my RCIA classes and according to him there is no problem dispensation is given by the local pastor on authority of the bishop and it will be considered a sacrament as it will take place after my baptism.

As long as there is no previous marriage issues to consider it will be sacramental as both are baptized.

Regarding dispensation of cult it is every unbaptized person, except catechumens who are considered a part of the church and as such has the right to a catholic wedding.

Cult is also persons baptized in Jehovas Witnesses or LDS church or oneness pentecostals, i.e anyone who has either baptism in lack of form or who doesnt believe in the Holy Trinity.

 

[Seatuck]

No, they need express permission of an ecclesiastic authority and express dispensation for their marriage to be considered valid. This is a disparity of cult because it is between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic.

Valid marriages between two baptized people are sacramental. Disparity of cult is for non Christians. Ok, so in a mixed marriage it is called permission and in disparity of cult it is the dispensation.

Mixed marriages and disparity of cult
1633 In many countries the situation of a mixed marriage (marriage between a Catholic and a baptized non-Catholic) often arises. It requires particular attention on the part of couples and their pastors. A case of marriage with disparity of cult (between a Catholic and a non-baptized person) requires even greater circumspection.
[1634](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1634.htm’) Difference of confession between the spouses does not constitute an insurmountable obstacle for marriage, when they succeed in placing in common what they have received from their respective communities, and learn from each other the way in which each lives in fidelity to Christ. But the difficulties of mixed marriages must not be underestimated. They arise from the fact that the separation of Christians has not yet been overcome. The spouses risk experiencing the tragedy of Christian disunity even in the heart of their own home. Disparity of cult can further aggravate these difficulties. Differences about faith and the very notion of marriage, but also different religious mentalities, can become sources of tension in marriage, especially as regards the education of children. The temptation to religious indifference can then arise.
1635 According to the law in force in the Latin Church, a mixed marriage needs for liceity the express permission of ecclesiastical authority.137 In case of disparity of cult an express dispensation from this impediment is required for the validity of the marriage.138 This permission or dispensation presupposes that both parties know and do not exclude the essential ends and properties of marriage; and furthermore that the Catholic party confirms the obligations, which have been made known to the non-Catholic party, of preserving his or her own faith and ensuring the baptism and education of the children in the Catholic Church.139
[1636](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1636.htm’) Through ecumenical dialogue Christian communities in many regions have been able to put into effect a common pastoral practice for mixed marriages. Its task is to help such couples live out their particular situation in the light of faith, overcome the tensions between the couple’s obligations to each other and towards their ecclesial communities, and encourage the flowering of what is common to them in faith and respect for what separates them.
1637 In marriages with disparity of cult the Catholic spouse has a particular task: "For the unbelieving husband is consecrated through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is consecrated through her husband."140 It is a great joy for the Christian spouse and for the Church if this “consecration” should lead to the free conversion of the other spouse to the Christian faith.141 Sincere married love, the humble and patient practice of the family virtues, and perseverance in prayer can prepare the non-believing spouse to accept the grace of conversion.