Wife becoming Protestant, I'm staying Catholic

[Eric_Hilbert]

Stick to the topic of the OP please

 

[Luvtosew]

One of the Six Sins Against the Holy Spirit is the presumption of Gods mercy. You cannot do what you want in life and presume that God will just save you. Someone that willfully leaves the Church founded by Christ is much more culpable than someone brought up in complete ignorance of the the truth. She is willfully rejecting the Bride of Christ in the Catholic Church and the Sacraments instituted by Christ and entrusted to the Church?

Hudson,
I never knew there were 6 sins against the HS, can you tell me where in the Bible I can read this. Thank you.

 

[AbideWithMe]

I don’t feel rebuking a spouse is a good thing, don’t let her read this thread, or she might never come back to the Church. God Bless, pray for her, be gentle and loving, and give her space. And leave the family photos up please, don’t make things worst.

 

[Zooey]

Friend, it must be a difficut situation for you to have your spouse chose another faith tradition.

You have received some very good advice and some very BAD advice. You do not need to drive a deep wedge between your wife and yourself…show compassion and love…DO NOT RESORT to petty “examples” such as removing family pictures simply because she wishes to remove your religious pictures to seek to teach your wife a lesson.

You would do much to heal any breech by continuing to be a loving husband…“as Christ loves the church and gave himself for her.”

I will hold you and your wife in the Light…pray and continue to be a loving and faithful husband…“something” must have drawn her away from your faith tradition…perhaps if you find out the “why’s and wherefore’s” you may have a better idea to heal this wound.

 

[hudson]

Hudson,
I never knew there were 6 sins against the HS, can you tell me where in the Bible I can read this. Thank you.

Excuse you, 2 Catholics were speaking. Can you show me in the Bible where the tradition of sola scriptura is stated? Can you show me in the Bible where the table of contents are? Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus left a book to teach from and not a Church? Can you explain how a Church you believe has no authority, has authority to compile a book and proclaim its infallibility? You then believe in the infallibility of this book, but deny most other teachings coming from this same authority. Can you explain how early Christians taught sola scriptura from a book that did not yet exist? Can you explain how individual Christians practiced sola scriptura without a printing press being invented for more than 1400 years? Thank you.

 

[CatholicFireman]

From my experience with people I know that left the Catholic Church to join “non-denominational Christian centers” it always struck me as a cop out. A lot of the “too many rules” excuses. Sorry your wife is going down this dismal road. I pray the children don’t follow her.

Sorry to be brutally honest, but that’s my take on it.

 

[Luvtosew]

Excuse you, 2 Catholics were speaking. Can you show me in the Bible where the tradition of sola scriptura is stated? Can you show me in the Bible where the table of contents are? Can you show me in the Bible where Jesus left a book to teach from and not a Church? Can you explain how a Church you believe has no authority, has authority to compile a book and proclaim its infallibility? You then believe in the infallibility of this book, but deny most other teachings coming from this same authority. Can you explain how early Christians taught sola scriptura from a book that did not yet exist? Can you explain how individual Christians practiced sola scriptura without a printing press being invented for more than 1400 years? Thank you.

Oh excuse me. I’m Catholic also, so I’m not sure what you mean by 2 Catholics were speaking. I would like to know where I can read about the 6 sins of the HS that you mentioned.

Aren’t you being quite defensive, what would it matter if I were Protestant and asked you that question. Is that the way you would of answered them, if so why would they even think of becoming a Catholic like youl.

 

[hudson]

You asked where it is found in the Bible. Everything Catholics believe does not have to be found word for word in the bible. If you want to read about the 6 sins of the Holy Spirit you could check out the 1962 Missal, the current Missal, various prayer books like Blessed Be God, google, etc. Why did you not ask me “where can I read about these” instead of “where in the Bible can I read these.” I was defensive because you came at me like it must be in the Bible to be valid. Sorry if that was not your intention.

 

[Luvtosew]

You asked where it is found in the Bible. Everything Catholics believe does not have to be found word for word in the bible. If you want to read about the 6 sins of the Holy Spirit you could check out the 1962 Missal, the current Missal, various prayer books like Blessed Be God, google, etc. Why did you not ask me “where can I read about these” instead of “where in the Bible can I read these.” I was defensive because you came at me like it must be in the Bible to be valid. Sorry if that was not your intention.

Thank you and God Bless.

 

[hudson]

Yeah i should not have started my reply to you like I did. Its to late to take it back, but I am sorry for assuming the worst. Take care.

 

[Erich]

I know there’s salvation outside of the Catholic Church. The Catechism says so, too.

Actually, what the Catechism says is the following:

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience—those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

 

[Luvtosew]

The CCC gives a double message, Muslins, Jews, Hindus, etc can be saved , but not Christians outside the RCC. thats the way I read it.

 

[mitex]

Protestants are classed as Christians. So what your saying we have a bunch of Christians (Several billion protestants) going to hell?

Not very ecumenical of us

 

[Luvtosew]

Protestants are classed as Christians. So what your saying we have a bunch of Christians (Several billion protestants) going to hell?

Not very ecumenical of us

Oh I don’t believe that, but if one reads the RCC it gets a bit confusing, what the Church really feels.

 

[fred_conty]

Prayer moves mountains. Prayer also moves people.

I don’t know how much you know about Our Lady of Mercy, or how much
you know about Mary’s power with her divine Son. But if she gave birth
to Jesus, she can also give birth to him again in your wife’s’s heart. Today
She moves her divine Son just as she did at Cana. The following is just
one incident of her love and mercy.

Mary appeared and spoke with Sister Justine Bisqueyburu, a
Daughter of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul, in 1840, about a green scapular.

Mary herself made certain promises to those who would keep the scapular on them,
wear or carry it, and would say a certain prayer everyday, and believe that
Mary would obtain those favors from her Son. Here are the favors she promised:

1. Conversion of those who do not have the faith
2. Reconciliation to the Church for those who have lost/strayed from the faith <==========
3. Assurance of a happy death
4. Strengthening of the faith for those already in the Church
5. Protection from Satan for those who wear or promote the scapular

This is the very answer to your search. But on your part you must
pray, at least daily: “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”,
once for yourself and once for your wife every day.

Here are the very words of Mary to Sister Justine:
“The GREATEST graces come from using the scapular but these graces come
in direct proportion to the degree of CONFIDENCE IN ME which the user has.”

What does confidence mean? Mary showed this herself at the annunciation of Gabriel.
“Yes, blessed is she who BELIEVED that the PROMISE made her by the Lord would be FULFILLED.”
(Lk. 1;45) St. Elizabeth extolling the absolute trust of Mary in God’s promise. Mary believed without doubting.

Mary didn’t say when conversion would happen, just that she promised it would happen.
Then your wife may look at the following website for questions about the faith. An easy read.
And addressed mainly, but not only, to fundamentalists.
davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_in_the_bible.htm

You may get a free one by googling “Green Scapular”. Get one for yourself as well.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=620449
(From an atheist)
How did you come to embrace Catholicism?
Strangely enough, it was the Blessed Virgin Mary. That friend of mine had sneakily
snuck in a scapular under my mattress. I didn’t know until about 1 year into my
conversion. I imagine that she had something to do with it. I think it was the
green scapular.

 

[CMatt25]

Oh I don’t believe that, but if one reads the RCC it gets a bit confusing, what the Church really feels.

I find it confusing as well. CCC 846 includes these words, “Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”

I read those words to say a person has to know the Catholic Church is necessary or they could not be saved. What is especially unclear to me is whether “could not” means “can not” since “could not” is a tense of “can not” or whether it means “might not”?

But in either case, beyond God’s non-Christian children, certainly not all Christians know this either. So only the ones that do, who then do not enter or remain, I suppose according to the statement, could not be saved.

So at least from how it sounds to me, in the case of the OP’s wife as to whether she can be saved in her current place, the Catholic Church says it depends whether or not she knew the Catholic Church was necessary before she had a change in beliefs and decided not to “remain”.

My prayers for the OP, his wife, and family, and for each of us along our journeys. Peace.

 

[Luvtosew]

I find it confusing as well. CCC 846 includes these words, “Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.”

I read those words to say a person has to know the Catholic Church is necessary or they could not be saved. What is especially unclear to me is whether “could not” means “can not” since “could not” is a tense of “can not” or whether it means “might not”?

But in either case, beyond God’s non-Christian children, certainly not all Christians know this either. So only the ones that do, who then do not enter or remain, I suppose according to the statement, could not be saved.

So at least from how it sounds to me, in the case of the OP’s wife as to whether she can be saved in her current place, the Catholic Church says it depends whether or not she knew the Catholic Church was necessary before she had a change in beliefs and decided not to “remain”.

My prayers for the OP, his wife, and family, and for each of us along our journeys. Peace.

CMatt,
I think your right, it depends if his wife knew the RCC teaching about leaving the RCC and loosing ones salvation if it would pertain to her, according to the Cathechism.

So in that since ignorace is once again bliss, not liable for what one doesn’t know.

I do disagree with that even tho I"m Catholic as that would involve many people and either people leave the Church to get married to a spouse or becasue they don’t agree with every teaching of the RCC.

Yes I pray they come to some mutual agreement also.

 

[KathleenGee]

Pablope…

Will keep you both in prayers…it is sounding like faith is still based somehow on men…not God…reasons are based on us looking too much at those who do scandal or lose their faith…or listening to men mispresent our faith…divorce became licit outside Christ’s Church. Divorce and faulty reasoning led to the breakdown of faith and society.

 

[Langdell]

CMatt,
I think your right, it depends if his wife knew the RCC teaching about leaving the RCC and loosing ones salvation if it would pertain to her, according to the Cathechism.

So in that since ignorace is once again bliss, not liable for what one doesn’t know.

I do disagree with that even tho I"m Catholic as that would involve many people and either people leave the Church to get married to a spouse or becasue they don’t agree with every teaching of the RCC.

Yes I pray they come to some mutual agreement also.

Thank you for posting this. I sometimes think we greatly underestimate the difficult problems that spousal disagreement can create in this area, especially if a spouse who was non-religious when the couple got married later wants to join or return to the Church.

 

[Lifesong]

I am a Methodist in RCIA but my understanding when I read the Catechism is that before I knew in my heart that the Catholic Church was on the one Jesus started I was fine as a Prostestant believer. Once I knew in my heart which was last May that the Eucharist was for real, I believe from that point on I could be held responsible for not acting. Until that conversion of heart, I do not believe I was responsible, even married to a cradle Catholic who attended the Methodist church with me all these years and we raised two wonderful Prostestant daughters. Neither one of us got it actually because my husband was so poorly catechized. Once I got it and also started praying the Rosary the first thing that happened after my joining RCIA was the reversion of my husband who is now my sponsor so miracles do happen thanks to the best prayer partner! One thing I am learning is sadly how few Catholic I know actually know their faith- maybe your wife is one of them and maybe once she falls in love with Jesus in the contemporary worship setting she will be led to dig deeper and the truth will bring her back- I will pray for that. There are good things us Bible believing praise and worship Protestants have to bring to the Church once we join or return I believe and as St. Paul reminds us all things come together for good. I do believe your family will be back on the same page better than ever- if it happened for my husband and I it can happen for anyone!

God Bless,

Val