Wife has given up

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Oh yes, that is quite possible. But, without Christ…we struggle. I think she has lost her way, perhaps…and when we turn away from Christ…we can easily become selfish.

I would say that she probably justifies the dinners out with ‘friends’ because they are just dinners…but many an affair starts with ‘just dinner…’ ‘just lunch…’ I hope she does wake up…and starts treating the OP better. 😦
oh yea, i totally agree. i do think that this lady is going to cheat on him if she goes any further. that is why i hope the best for him. although i do know that if she has fallen away from god, it is her duty to go back. we can show her the way but we cannot force it to her.
 
Sheeniac, it’s only fair for you to point out to the forum what I’ve admitted as some of my shortcomings. I’m sure my wife would be able to point out a host of more shortcomings. Two of the big issues are (not surprising in a marriage) involve money and sex, or rather, what each of us expects from the other in these areas (guess who expects what). In the past I’ve told my wife these are issues that all married couples struggle with. But, that doesn’t negate how much it impacts our own marriage. I don’t know if we can come to a mutually agreeable compromise in these areas without marital counseling, which my wife is still refusing.

She is still mulling over divorce. I’ve come to accept that if she wants a divorce then I will have to grant it, as this marriage can’t work without both of us wanting it to work.
 
Sheeniac, it’s only fair for you to point out to the forum what I’ve admitted as some of my shortcomings. I’m sure my wife would be able to point out a host of more shortcomings. Two of the big issues are (not surprising in a marriage) involve money and sex, or rather, what each of us expects from the other in these areas (guess who expects what). In the past I’ve told my wife these are issues that all married couples struggle with. But, that doesn’t negate how much it impacts our own marriage. I don’t know if we can come to a mutually agreeable compromise in these areas without marital counseling, which my wife is still refusing.

She is still mulling over divorce. I’ve come to accept that if she wants a divorce then I will have to grant it, as this marriage can’t work without both of us wanting it to work.
Many years ago, I used to rent a room in the home of a couple who were both on their second marriage. The husband told me that he wished that he had gotten marriage counselling before he left his first marriage, because he got well into his second marriage before he realized that the problem was not his first wife, but something that could have been fixed. As it was, he had two families to look out for, when he could have stayed in the first and done fine.

Tell your wife this: You would like to get counselling just to figure out what went wrong, if nothing else. If she’s willing to do that, she may still divorce you, but she won’t turn around, as so many do, and marry someone so much like you that she finds herself in the same misery all over again.

Your wife doesn’t have a very long attention span, but maybe she’ll read this, from tv’s Dr. Phil:
drphil.com/articles/article/23/
There is a printer-friendly version on the web page, as well:
Are you ready to get divorced? If you’re unhappy and think you’re ready to call it quits, answer the five questions in Dr. Phil’s Divorce Readiness Test:
  1. Have you done everything you can to save and rehabilitate your marriage?
  2. Do you have unfinished emotional business?
  3. Have you researched, planned, and prepared yourself legally for divorce?
  4. Are you ready to adopt a new standard of conduct with your children?
  5. Are you willing to create a new relationship as a co-parent?
Dr. Phil believes most people in America are too quick to get divorced. You shouldn’t get a divorce, he says, until you’ve turned over every stone and investigated every avenue of rehabilitation possible; you have no unfinished emotional business; you’ve researched, planned and prepared yourself legally; you’re ready to adopt a new standard of conduct with your children and you’re willing to create a new relationship as a co-parent.
For more on his first two questions, read on:
Have you gotten help for your marriage? Have you exhausted all avenues of putting your marriage back together? That means everything from reading books or going to a marriage counselor, to speaking to a clergy member and spending time focusing on you and your role in what’s going on.
You need to ask yourself:
What was your marriage like when it worked?
When did it go wrong? Why?
Is what you’re fighting about worth breaking up your marriage?
What do you want?
What is it costing you to be in your relationship?
Are you willing to put in the effort to make the relationship work?
What are you doing to contaminate the relationship?
“You know you’re ready for a divorce when you can walk out the door with no anger, frustration or hurt. Otherwise, you’ve got unfinished business,” says Dr. Phil. “Unless and until you look each other in the eye feeling peace, no hatred or resentment, you’re not ready to get a divorce.”
Do not make life-changing decisions in the midst of emotional turmoil. Such consequential decisions should not be made when tensions are high. Get on flat ground first so you can look at things more rationally.
Ask yourself:
Are you still in love with your spouse?
Are you hurt?
Are you scared?
Are you angry?
Are you confused?
If you answered yes to any of those questions, you’ve failed the test. This is not the time to make life-changing decisions. You have more work to do.
Might she listen to Dr. Phil when she won’t listen to you?

Turn over every stone…Stranger things have happened.

So tell her…"We both know that old Dr. Phil has dealt with a lot of unhappy people whose problems weren’t solved by divorce. When you get to the point that you could convince Dr. Phil that you’ve earned a divorce, and you decide you want one, I will concede that you’ve convinced me…but not before.

Remember, he’s not the Catholic Church, he’s doesn’t say that not nobody should divorce no matter how miserable they are. If you don’t think you owe our marriage that much, at least believe that you owe yourself that much."
 
While she was hysterically crying, my wife told me she doesn’t want to be married to me anymore and that she doesn’t love me. She continues to refuse counseling. I meet with a lawyer tomorrow. I’m about to give up. I still love my wife, but only a miracle will save our marriage now.
 
While she was hysterically crying, my wife told me she doesn’t want to be married to me anymore and that she doesn’t love me. She continues to refuse counseling. I meet with a lawyer tomorrow. I’m about to give up. I still love my wife, but only a miracle will save our marriage now.
If she was crying, then she still loves you. Don’t think for one second that she doesn’t love you anymore. I think she does, but I think she feels that you two are over.
 
What do you mean that we “are over”? That our marriage is over? Then, if she loves me, what do we do? I am getting close to desperate here.
 
Divorce is frightening. And I can only speak to what I’ve witnessed.

I can’t imagine what you two are going through right now. I do think it’s wise to see a lawyer. Should you end up going through a divorce, I hope you BOTH will recognize that the way you handle it will impact your children in a million ways. You can make their young lives a living hell. Or not. It’s a choice. FOR BOTH of you!

Regardless, I would still keep praying. I would still keep treating her as the wife you plan to hold onto. With a few changed ways that you have taken self note of are changing for the better…
 
I couldn’t read all of the responses, so forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but I think you would really benefit from reading “For Men Only” by Shaunti and Jeff Feldhahn. Almost all of the things that you have described about her actions are typical women’s responses that men are baffled by simly because they do not respond to situations the same way. It may not save your marriage, but it will help you to be able to understand her better and communicate better. Prayers for you both.
 
Divorce is frightening. And I can only speak to what I’ve witnessed.

I can’t imagine what you two are going through right now. I do think it’s wise to see a lawyer. Should you end up going through a divorce, I hope you BOTH will recognize that the way you handle it will impact your children in a million ways. You can make their young lives a living hell. Or not. It’s a choice. FOR BOTH of you!

Regardless, I would still keep praying. I would still keep treating her as the wife you plan to hold onto. With a few changed ways that you have taken self note of are changing for the better…
My parents have gotten many divorces through live with different people and it has not impacted me in a bad way. I only learn from it. 🙂
 
My parents have gotten many divorces through live with different people and it has not impacted me in a bad way. I only learn from it. 🙂
Says you. It may be that you haven’t been witness to a really ugly divorce. That speaks to the common decency of your parents, and the degree of selfishness they did or did not maintain. It CAN be quite damaging to children. In the way they relate to others. In their def. of marriage. For that matter, a child might think it’s perfectly normal to marry and divorce over and over again. No biggie!

One should not be so flippant.
 
Says you. It may be that you haven’t been witness to a really ugly divorce. That speaks to the common decency of your parents, and the degree of selfishness they did or did not maintain. It CAN be quite damaging to children. In the way they relate to others. In their def. of marriage. For that matter, a child might think it’s perfectly normal to marry and divorce over and over again. No biggie!

One should not be so flippant.
Haha, i don’t think divorce is a good thing, but i also am in touch with reality, and i know it happens, i see it happens. its a shame, but there are sometimes when divorce is needed. also my comment was to the poster not to get all riled up. I am not sad about any of the divorces because it all worked out for the better.
 
What do you mean that we “are over”? That our marriage is over? Then, if she loves me, what do we do? I am getting close to desperate here.
Tucdoc, marriage’s can have some rough times, real rough. In 22 years my wife and I have seen alot of problems, a lot, but one day can make all the difference. After my last and final post about my hurting marriage on these forums, we have started to rebuild. Not to long ago she was hitting me, talking divorce…now we are in “love” again. We truly do love each other but some factors have to be out of the picture be it personal flaws, unforgivness, even inappropriate friendships. Adapt and overcome.

A lawyer is going to push for his bread & butter in a divorce. Be careful.

Today we have plans to go out for lunch, her invite. She is letting me more into her world that I have been so critical of and trusting me. I will do the same. Hang on brother and kick this guy out of your alls life.
 
A lawyer is going to push for his bread & butter in a divorce. Be careful.
that is the absolute truth. I watched a friends mother go after his dad because the lawyer thought she should get DOUBLE what he offered. Which was a very good generous amount. Of course he fought it. She NEVER got double, and now she owes all that she got to her lawyer, and lives with her mother and father. At the age of 50… It was one of the saddest things I’ve ever watched. The divorce took over 10 years.
 
Haha, i don’t think divorce is a good thing, but i also am in touch with reality, and i know it happens, i see it happens. its a shame, but there are sometimes when divorce is needed. also my comment was to the poster not to get all riled up. I am not sad about any of the divorces because it all worked out for the better.
Yes, I know it works that way sometimes, but kind of like ending suffering is for the better, no? The only time a divorce isn’t sad is when the attempt at marriage that came before it had gotten far sadder. It isn’t the kind of thing you’d ever want to have on the table when you marry, any more than you’d get a pet and say, “And you know, if he doesn’t work out, will just have the old boy put down. There are other dogs.”

Not if you had a heart, anyway. You try to make it as humane as you can if it has to happen, but you would always rather avoid it in the first place.
 
Yes, I know it works that way sometimes, but kind of like ending suffering is for the better, no? The only time a divorce isn’t sad is when the attempt at marriage that came before it had gotten far sadder. It isn’t the kind of thing you’d ever want to have on the table when you marry, any more than you’d get a pet and say, “And you know, if he doesn’t work out, will just have the old boy put down. There are other dogs.”

Not if you had a heart, anyway. You try to make it as humane as you can if it has to happen, but you would always rather avoid it in the first place.
no kidding!. i never said that you shouldn’t try to work it out. don’t twist what i said or add words. thanks. 👍
 
A glimmer of hope! She is going to talk to a priest and has made an appt. with a therapist for individual counseling. I’m still not sure if she wants to stay in the marriage. Regardless of what she decides, as long as it is reasonable rather than purely emotional, I will accept it.
 
A glimmer of hope! She is going to talk to a priest and has made an appt. with a therapist for individual counseling. I’m still not sure if she wants to stay in the marriage. Regardless of what she decides, as long as it is reasonable rather than purely emotional, I will accept it.
[SIGN]Praise God![/SIGN]

Regardless of what else happens, she needs emotional healing. Hopefully she will agree to marriage counseling prior to deciding on divorce.

Continuing to pray.
 
A glimmer of hope! She is going to talk to a priest and has made an appt. with a therapist for individual counseling. I’m still not sure if she wants to stay in the marriage. Regardless of what she decides, as long as it is reasonable rather than purely emotional, I will accept it.
Best post I’ve seen on this forum so far today! There is still hope, and prayers are still coming your way.
 
A glimmer of hope! She is going to talk to a priest and has made an appt. with a therapist for individual counseling. I’m still not sure if she wants to stay in the marriage. Regardless of what she decides, as long as it is reasonable rather than purely emotional, I will accept it.
:extrahappy:

I’ll keep you in my prayers.

(I’ve been lurking this thread.)
 
Shes gonna get help? yay!!!

now whatever you do, just make sure she knows your always there for her and that you love her. 👍
 
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