Exactly.
“Those that try to secure a little safety by giving up a little freedom, deserve neither.”
Pretty much how I see it
Sir, you are confused. This is not about emotions, this is about understanding human nature and the rights and responsibilities of governments and citizens. It is a darn shame that you do not understand or appreciate what our founders created and how to protect it.
Except that they have a 100% accuracy rating? Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean the information is false. The government admitted to the info Snowden posted and it actually prompted discussions and “reforms” in D.C. Manning got put in prison for leaking to Wikileaks, so we know that its true. Please use reason, not emotions, to analyze the probable veracity of a source.
Well, your system of “hoping” the government is not abusing its power is not historically reliable nor realistic. There needs to be accountability, and as a citizen it is your duty to demand accountability, not merely to “hope” its doing its job.
And yet this is not a convincing argument for allowing government to violate everyone’s rights. I have a right to have a private boring life and not be spied on without reasonable suspicion and a proper warrant. Remember that many groups throughout history have been harmless and rather “boring” and yet have found themselves on the wrong side of government power. That includes Christians on this very day in our world. That you don’t see that is baffling!
This is exactly why there will never be another revolution, far too many people side with a tyrannical govt instead of their fellow citizens. LOLSir, you are confused. This is not about emotions, this is about understanding human nature and the rights and responsibilities of governments and citizens. It is a darn shame that you do not understand or appreciate what our founders created and how to protect it.
Except that they have a 100% accuracy rating? Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean the information is false. The government admitted to the info Snowden posted and it actually prompted discussions and “reforms” in D.C. Manning got put in prison for leaking to Wikileaks, so we know that its true. Please use reason, not emotions, to analyze the probable veracity of a source.
Well, your system of “hoping” the government is not abusing its power is not historically reliable nor realistic. There needs to be accountability, and as a citizen it is your duty to demand accountability, not merely to “hope” its doing its job.
And yet this is not a convincing argument for allowing government to violate everyone’s rights. I have a right to have a private boring life and not be spied on without reasonable suspicion and a proper warrant. Remember that many groups throughout history have been harmless and rather “boring” and yet have found themselves on the wrong side of government power. That includes Christians on this very day in our world. That you don’t see that is baffling!
Personally, I think they’ve been rolling non-stop for the past century.
What you assume I know is not the proper approach. I have been studying this subject for a long time. A few factual conclusions: The King has been spying on his citizens using every means at his disposal, and usually, using people that look like you and I. There’s no point going into the different ways and means. There is a lot of information available in the literature which is never found on store shelves, but elsewhere. No, it’s not classified but it’s there.Sir, you are confused. This is not about emotions, this is about understanding human nature and the rights and responsibilities of governments and citizens. It is a darn shame that you do not understand or appreciate what our founders created and how to protect it.
Except that they have a 100% accuracy rating? Just because you don’t like them doesn’t mean the information is false. The government admitted to the info Snowden posted and it actually prompted discussions and “reforms” in D.C. Manning got put in prison for leaking to Wikileaks, so we know that its true. Please use reason, not emotions, to analyze the probable veracity of a source.
Well, your system of “hoping” the government is not abusing its power is not historically reliable nor realistic. There needs to be accountability, and as a citizen it is your duty to demand accountability, not merely to “hope” its doing its job.
And yet this is not a convincing argument for allowing government to violate everyone’s rights. I have a right to have a private boring life and not be spied on without reasonable suspicion and a proper warrant. Remember that many groups throughout history have been harmless and rather “boring” and yet have found themselves on the wrong side of government power. That includes Christians on this very day in our world. That you don’t see that is baffling!
No, I just don’t believe my rights are in danger. And I don’t approve of fostering distrust towards an agency who has had some of it’s members die in the line of duty while in the service of our country.
I’m not assuming anything. It’s quite clear. The only other logical conclusion is to believe that you are ill-intentioned, and that would be very uncharitable of me.
You aren’t the only one.
Sufficient quantitative change can lead to qualitative change. No, an automobile is not just a fast horse. It changes cities and human societies. Domestic intelligence of the old kind does not even compare to modern signals intelligence employing complex computer “intelligence”.
So, let me see- Both Snowden’s supporters and critics have accepted the veracity of his information, including the U.S. government itself, but you still refuse to acknowledge it? Again, it sounds like you arbitrarily believe what you like, based on your what you want, not on objective reality.
No, you still don’t understand- your rights are not merely “in danger”. They have already been violated and continue to be violated everyday. If you do not believe in the rights guaranteed to citizens in the U.S. Constitution, our founding legal document, then what do you define as the principles behind our “country”?
So you don’t approve of checks and balances?
What enemies? We’re safer than we’ve even been, domestically. Stop listening to the mainstream media. If “extraordinary means” denotes breaking the U.S. Constitution EVERY DAY and violating EVERY citizen’s right to privacy (among others), then that should be way too “extraordinary” for anyone who gives a darn about our laws, our Constitution and our liberty.
It’s incredible. I’d rather be stuck with Protestants and even atheists who appreciate what the U.S. is based on and are willing to fight for it than Catholics who are willing to subject themselves and subject others to constant violation of their God-given and Constitutional rights. People who constantly excuse and explain away tyrannical and unaccountable government behavior are called “useful fools/idiots” for a reason.
Agreed. I know its said that many of them were deists, but I really hope some of them ended up in Heaven and are interceding for us. Maybe I’ll ask “St. Franklin” or “St. Washington”, among others, to help us, because we need all the help we can get!Personally, I think they’ve been rolling non-stop for the past century.
Enemies ? Well there is Iran who has been calling us the great Satan since the seventies. We started talking about terrorism right about the time they took our hostages. Then we had Beirut.
None of this requires 24/7 unconstitutional spying on all citizens.
We used to rightly criticize the KGB and Soviet government for doing these things. We never said- “Well, the domestic spying they’re doing is okay as long as its to protect citizens. After all, how else could they catch the terrorists?”
It sounds like you have your own conspiracy theories. I am far more concerned about the continual government abuse which will end in tyrannical government than terrorists which the government can’t even stop anyway. Even when they KNOW certain people are dangerous, they still can’t or won’t stop them, like the case of the Boston Marathon bombers.
You’ve been given the awesome gift of a Constitutional Democratic Republic and yet you are willing to have it pass away before your eyes with a shrug because you’ve got it in your head that they need to shred the Constitution to shreds to fight “the bad guys”.
That’s why I’m wasting my time here. You believe all citizens are being spied on 24/7.
NSA Whistleblower Binney: NSA Recording 80% of U.S. Phone Calls
Plug your ears with your fingers, but it won’t change the reality: You are living in a surveillance state where the U.S. government continually violates every citizen’s right to privacy and makes a joke of the fourth amendment.
The Democrats with their obstructionist agenda did not let Trump to do his thing which was to not let it happen… And wikileaks only did its thing…It was not anti Clinton because did not attack Clinton agenda, it was not pro Trump because it did not sustainable his agenda.