Will an economic stimulus package help us during recession?

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It is going to be painful at sometime, either now or in the future, to correct this. Maybe we should cut spending $10 for every $1 in taxes we cut.😉 The spending and waste is what is going to sink us the quickest.
 
It is going to be painful at sometime, either now or in the future, to correct this. Maybe we should cut spending $10 for every $1 in taxes we cut.😉 The spending and waste is what is going to sink us the quickest.
Amen.

As I point out to people who are for the “fair tax,” you can’t talk taxes intelligently unless you also talk spending. If we can get control of spending – and we could do that by passing a Line Item Veto and holding the President responsible – we can do wonders in this country.

One thing I would like to see is Personal Retirement Accounts funded from the Social Security surplus. The PRAs would also recieve all other surpluses.

This is a** dirty** trick – the first year, your Congressman would proudly send you a letter announcing that, thanks to him, you were getting $X dollars put into your PRA. And forever after, he better put at least that much into your PRA each year.

In other words, it would turn every working American into a Deficit Hawk.😉
 
Economic stimulus package is just a fancy way of saying for ‘vote for my party’.

Middle class America has put us in the position we are in today. The Fed handed out easy money and we took it!

Just crank up the old ATM card from the house and buy that Hummer you always wanted. Then blow $10G in Vegas.

“It’s OK honey, the house will just keep going up in value”.

NOT!

The only solution to this will be PAIN, and a lot of it. America has forgotten how to save. Even now, after doing this to themselves, we are screaming for the government to fix it.

Poor Joe Blow lost on house-flipping. Step in Mr. Government and fix it for me.

PAIN, PAIN and more PAIN. We deserve it.🤷

But that’ll never happen. No 'Helicopter Ben" will keep the printing presses rolling. What’s to stop him? They no longer print the M3 so no one will know!
And the wealthy are never guilty of such behavior.:rolleyes:
 
There are some decent Republicans. I happen to be one of them. But there are decent Democrats as well. The majority on both sides are corrupt.
As am I, believe it or not. Decent ANYTHING is indeed a rarity.
 
Holy smokies, everyone has been busy on here today. :+) Thank you for contributing. I’d like to reply to some of u individually, but for now, one of my comments is: Bush cut taxes quite a bit, I’m surprised no one has credited him here with that?

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Amen.

As I point out to people who are for the “fair tax,” you can’t talk taxes intelligently unless you also talk spending. If we can get control of spending – and we could do that by passing a Line Item Veto and holding the President responsible – we can do wonders in this country.

One thing I would like to see is Personal Retirement Accounts funded from the Social Security surplus. The PRAs would also recieve all other surpluses.

This is a** dirty** trick – the first year, your Congressman would proudly send you a letter announcing that, thanks to him, you were getting $X dollars put into your PRA. And forever after, he better put at least that much into your PRA each year.

In other words, it would turn every working American into a Deficit Hawk.😉
Nice points. Maybe when many americans are finished with their 3rd jobs for the week, they will have some spare time to keep an eye on the deficit. My wife and I thankfully have been able to save despite the economic climate, but not w/out its ups and downs. I have friends who are working 2 and some 3 jobs to keep a family of 4 afloat. What can be done to help these good ppl, NOW?

This, w/out a recession.
 
And the wealthy are never guilty of such behavior.:rolleyes:
You miss the point. The wealthy don’t have to mortgage their house for the new Hummer. They can buy it with the interest they earned when they lent YOU the money.:rolleyes:

BTW, it’s not a sin to be wealthy.😉
 
You miss the point. The wealthy don’t have to mortgage their house for the new Hummer. They can buy it with the interest they earned when they lent YOU the money.:rolleyes:

BTW, it’s not a sin to be wealthy.😉
keepin up with the joneses is definitely contagious in this country. My wife and I thankfully jumped off that train a while ago, and we live pretty nicely, comfortably, but not beyond our means ANYMORE.

I can’t talk too much, because we once behaved in ways w/our $ that was unbecoming of a Christian. 😊
 
Holy smokies, everyone has been busy on here today. :+) Thank you for contributing. I’d like to reply to some of u individually, but for now, one of my comments is: Bush cut taxes quite a bit, I’m surprised no one has credited him here with that?

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Well, it all depends on who benefits the most from the cuts. Is it the middle class who can spend it and create economic activity or is it the wealthy who simply hand the money over to their accountants to have something done with it, creating no new economic activity?
 
I’m hopeful the discussion here will be tactful, and ppl won’t start trashing the thread with comments that don’t really answer anything. 👍
I see you’re new to CAF. Welcome.

Good luck with your thread not denegrating into a Rep/Dem slugfest.
 
You miss the point. The wealthy don’t have to mortgage their house for the new Hummer. They can buy it with the interest they earned when they lent YOU the money.:rolleyes:

BTW, it’s not a sin to be wealthy.😉
And neither is the other stuff done by the middle class a sin.
 
Well, it all depends on who benefits the most from the cuts. Is it the middle class who can spend it and create economic activity or is it the wealthy who simply hand the money over to their accountants to have something done with it, creating no new economic activity?
Tax cuts should be across the board for everyone. I have a feeling what might be causing this recession is the fear that the tax cuts will expire. Goodness, we don’t need further ones because that create for an even further unbalanced budget, but they did help stimulate the economy thus far and therefore should stay in place. But we don’t need to balance the budget just yet by slashing spending either. Does everyone remember econ 101 where sometimes it is necessary for a government to run a deficit?
 
Well, it all depends on who benefits the most from the cuts. Is it the middle class who can spend it and create economic activity or is it the wealthy who simply hand the money over to their accountants to have something done with it, creating no new economic activity?
Don’t u remember the $300 everyone rec’d when Bush got into office?😃 O.k., i am obviously being sarcastic.

No, I am of course saying for the middle class/upper m.c. You seem to have a bone to pick w/the wealthy. :confused:

Only 4% of the population hold 90%of the wealth in this country. So, that leaves 96% of the rest of us who could get there. Being wealthy doesn’t just happen. Any able bodied american has an oppty to make it happen, but it can be easier to point fingers.

But to answer your question, yes, for the mid class. Also, wealth can mean different things to different ppl. My wife and I are upper m.c., but to someone living in a 3rd world country we might be seen as “wealthy.” Let’s define wealth, shall we? maybe that’s a better place to start.
 
I used to be a Democrat, but I’m not a Republican either. I am very much inclined to agree with “iamrefreshed” on this. I am not an economist, but I am old enough to have lived through these things before. They’re never fun, and they’re never pretty, and the lessons never get learned, seems like.

Just having lived through them, it seems to me there are some common characteristics. Seems there is a combination of governmental policies that warp investment decisions, combined with easy monetary policies and unwise governmental fiscal decisions, all of which bump up against economic realities at some point.

We have a really insane tax situation which, on one hand, encouraged investment through reductions in the capital gains and dividend taxes, but then held the “sword of Damocles” over it by making it temporary. If ever there was anything better designed to make people try to “ride to the top, then jump off” I can’t imagine what it could be. The consequence of “jumping off” destroys a staggering amount of wealth, and we’re seeing that right now. I can’t imagine how many trillions of dollars of wealth have been destroyed in the last few months from the stock market alone, and not just the wealth of the rich, either. So, on Wall Street, we have a “perfect storm” going, of people who figured they would have to get out at some point, and before 2009, to avoid tax increases, plus people needing, at the same time, to use that wealth due to increased inflation, plus massive destruction of wealth in the real estate and stock markets.

To ensure eventual recession, Greenspan pumped up the money supply and reduced interest rates, and for what? Because he was afraid of deflation? That’s what he said. But all the while, the only prices that were going down were the prices of ever-increasing cheap imported goods. And people couldn’t spend enough on consumer goods, and China couldn’t build factories fast enough to supply the stuff, or to burn oil fast enough to produce it. Cheap toys went down, but oil didn’t. Commodities started climbing.

Because of the increases in the money supply, lenders found themselves awash in funds; funds they had to loan out. I remember, not long ago, that banks, brokerages and mortgage companies were in a bind because they had so much money they had trouble loaning it out.

So, giving the whole thing a wink and a nod, they all started being incautious in their lending practices. Watching it happen, and being an old guy who had seen it before, I KNEW the piper would come around for payment. I saw lenders approving 45% payment to income ratios (thats gross income, mind you) and refinances that were 20% or more over last year’s appraisal. Crazy stuff. And people saw those low interest rates and just couldn’t borrow enough money, yes, to pay off credit cards that soon refilled, to buy cars, to buy boats, to make a down payment on a vacation home, to play games “flipping” real estate, to pretend to be “day traders”. Craziness.

And, while it was all happening, the Congress larded up the budget, yes, on credit. And everybody pretended there was no piper.

I remember the early 1980s, and I remember how painful that recession was, for me as well as others. I remember how easy it was to resent Reagan and Paul Volker, and I did. But after it was all over, and uncountable dollars in bogus wealth disappeared, a person could go on, and assets formed a base that had more to do with their productive value than their speculative value. And the economy recovered and, the government came close to a surplus until the fed and the Congress went wild again. And, in truth, if anyone could claim credit for it, it would be Ronald Reagan and Paul Volker, and nobody else.

In passing, I might mention that almost nobody seems to notice that they DID reduce social security benefits, and the Dem Congress went along with it. It’s almost a state secret. Nobody talks about it.

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