Will Catholics support Romney?

[Bill1940]

Will Catholics support Romney considering his flip-flop on abortion and homosexuality, and also in light of the very negative way that the Mormon leadership and Joe Smith have portrayed us to their membership through out their short history? Will Catholics support him if he is the only alternative to Obama?

                                          The Devil gets a "D"

How can any Catholic vote for the most pro-abortion President in history? How can any American vote for a President who disregards the Constitution, denigrates our sovereignty, decimates our economy, disrespects our armed forces, deceives our bishops, and before I run out of "d"s, is dishonest and duplicitous in his diatribe, discourse and disquisition? What is left to like? It is like voting for the Devil because he looks so good in Red.

 

[Jerusha]

It all boils down to this: As things stand presently, there will be many people refusing to vote for either, as both are unacceptable to many. Those non-voters represent the middle.

Unless Obama’s health-care plan is modified to allow for conscience issues, unless Obama draws the line, allowing for domestic partnerships for same sex couples, and making a stand against same sex marriage, and allows states to restrict abortions, the middle will not vote for him.

Unless Romney frees himself from obligations to his church, the middle will not vote for him.

Not a pretty picture.

 

[peace2u2]

You can but where I live the last I understood was write-ins had to have registered as a write-in candidate with the election board for votes for them to be counted. So it might depend on a state’s election laws.

Btw I love your screen name. Peace.

Thats a good point you make about each state’s election laws.

And, . . . thank you for the compliment. Peace 2u2:wink::blushing:

 

[Jerome_Fan]

I am pro-life. I am opposed to the death penalty. I am opposed to racism in any form. I am opposed to religious bigotry. I am opposed to war, except under particular circumstances. I am opposed to organized tax-evasion schemes. I am in support of national health insurance. I am in support of religious freedom. I am in support of educational opportunity. I am opposed to homophobic bigotry. I am opposed to abortion, but am in support of those women who, in difficult circumstances, choose to give birth. I am in support of those who have a good understanding of the Islamic mind.

Obama is the best, but not perfect, candidate.

You are simply not Catholic if you agree with abortion. Fact! Obama may be the best devil in America, but that is all he is ‘best’ at. Far from being perfect, he is Muslim in all but name. Understanding the Islamic mind is to try to understand the snake. Death is their message for all those who believe in Jesus - as we Catholics do. Are you sure you know what you are proposing? You say you are a Catholic, but from what you have written in your post, you seem extraordinarily ignorant. Do read what the Muslims believe before you espouse any of it. It is not just the so-called ‘terrorist’ in their midst that believes in ‘death to all infidels’ - it is one of their basic teachings. Ignorance among Catholics is a huge cause of evil in this world.

 

[GaryTaylor]

It all boils down to this: As things stand presently, there will be many people refusing to vote for either, as both are unacceptable to many. Those non-voters represent the middle.

Unless Obama’s health-care plan is modified to allow for conscience issues, unless Obama draws the line, allowing for domestic partnerships for same sex couples, and making a stand against same sex marriage, and allows states to restrict abortions, the middle will not vote for him.

Unless Romney frees himself from obligations to his church, the middle will not vote for him.

Not a pretty picture.

Mistake by Obama and I would venture to say one he never intended till after the election.

I find it appauling to watch him stand in ignorance against civil rights. Only makes me wonder what else will he do?

The man is problem, which I firmly believe will become much worse.

But yes Romney and the church is an issue which I also believe is against him, which is really a terrible factor to figure in. It is a truth though.

 

[Jerome_Fan]

Give it a break. I will not vote for Barak Obama in November, but he is as American as anyone else who has ever been president. He was born in Hawaii and the only connection he has to Indonesia is that his mother married an Indonesian and he lived in the country for a short while. I lived in Scotland as a child for a year. Does that make me less American than any other American? I don’t think so. If you want to attack the President’s policies, go right ahead, I’ll support you on that. But when you go raise questions about Obama’s nationality, you just make conservatives look nutty.

It is of little import whether Obama is American or not. As one famous quote says “If a man is born in a stable, does that make him a horse?” The fact is that Obama’s policies are anti-Catholic in every way. He not only promotes abortion in America but blackmails poor countries around the world to promote this evil. He not only pushes the homosexual agenda in America, but sends envoys around the world to blackmail countries that believe rightly that it is an abomination before God - Leviticus 18. If you are, as you claim, a Catholic, it is time you took your head out of the sand and realised that Obama is pushing for laws to be passed through the courts that will send Catholics to prison - for example, forcing Catholic institutions to pay for their employees’ abortions through his evil ‘Health care programme’, which includes abortion up to birth, contraception, to name a few. For God’s sake, will you Catholics who have a say in American elections, WAKE UP!!!

 

[GaryTaylor]

It is of little import whether Obama is American or not. As one famous quote says “If a man is born in a stable, does that make him a horse?” The fact is that Obama’s policies are anti-Catholic in every way. He not only promotes abortion in America but blackmails poor countries around the world to promote this evil. He not only pushes the homosexual agenda in America, but sends envoys around the world to blackmail countries that believe rightly that it is an abomination before God - Leviticus 18. If you are, as you claim, a Catholic, it is time you took your head out of the sand and realised that Obama is pushing for laws to be passed through the courts that will send Catholics to prison - for example, forcing Catholic institutions to pay for their employees’ abortions through his evil ‘Health care programme’, which includes abortion up to birth, contraception, to name a few. For God’s sake, will you Catholics who have a say in American elections, WAKE UP!!!

A Light in the Dark. Amazing.

Could you imagine this guy in another few years on this role?

 

[CRUE_CAB]

Kind of reminds me of the movie Soylent Green. I see this country headed in that direction.

“ITS PEOPLE!!!”

 

[CMatt25]

Give it a break. I will not vote for Barak Obama in November, but he is as American as anyone else who has ever been president. He was born in Hawaii and the only connection he has to Indonesia is that his mother married an Indonesian and he lived in the country for a short while. I lived in Scotland as a child for a year. Does that make me less American than any other American? I don’t think so. If you want to attack the President’s policies, go right ahead, I’ll support you on that. But when you go raise questions about Obama’s nationality, you just make conservatives look nutty.

I’ve tired of those conservatives who continue down the path of “Obama isn’t an American” so I wasn’t going to bother wasting my time to comment. But God bless you Tsuwano for your words about Obama’s nationality.

 

[CMatt25]

It’s very presumptuous, and most unkind to say who is and isn’t a “true Catholic”.
Please, be nice

:clapping: Well said.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I’ve tired of those conservatives who continue down the path of “Obama isn’t an American” so I wasn’t going to bother wasting my time to comment. But God bless you Tsuwano for your words about Obama’s nationality.

I have no issue with American. Definately he’s a player though with some odd relationships.

 

[CMatt25]

It’s pretty cut and dry…Either you follow all the teachings of the Catholic Church and you are a “True Catholic”, or you do not and you are not a “True Catholic”. That’s as “nice” and simple as it gets.

It’s also pretty cut and dry that someone baptized and perhaps even confirmed in the Catholic Church is considered to have an indelible, permanent mark upon their soul and as a result is truly considered to be and is identified as a Catholic by the Catholic Church. Someone might of course be non practicing but nevertheless a Catholic. And of course the possibility of sin is not excluded from even those you deem “true”.

 

[CMatt25]

And has the Catholic Church endorsed a candidate?

No the bishops have made it clear their teachings are non partisan and that their guidance “does not offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues, or direction on how to vote”. I posted links earlier.

 

[CMatt25]

I was baptized and confirmed into the Catholic Church, I am a true Catholic.

We are all on a journey, as of yet I haven’t heard of the Church granting you, me or anyone else the ability to decide who is and isn’t “worthy”.

Its fine to argue that voting for one candidate or another is contrary to Church teaching, but as far as I know, the Church has not said that voting for any one candidate makes you less Catholic.

I have to say, I thought comments that question whether or not someone is a “true” Catholic or not were not permitted. I looked though and couldn’t find it. Maybe a moderator could weigh in?

And while I’m not sure the exact forum policy you were looking for in this regard, I found this which may be of some help for you.

“Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks… Catholics must be charitable in their discussions…”

I suppose saying a baptized, confirmed Catholic is not a true Catholic even though it is contrary to Church teaching, could to some fall under a personal attack and being uncharitable. But isn’t for me to say as I’m not the mod you’re looking for.

In any case peace and God’s blessings to you always along your faith walk.

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

I was baptized and confirmed into the Catholic Church, I am a true Catholic.

We are all on a journey, as of yet I haven’t heard of the Church granting you, me or anyone else the ability to decide who is and isn’t “worthy”.

Its fine to argue that voting for one candidate or another is contrary to Church teaching, but as far as I know, the Church has not said that voting for any one candidate makes you less Catholic.

I have to say, I thought comments that question whether or not someone is a “true” Catholic or not were not permitted. I looked though and couldn’t find it. Maybe a moderator could weigh in?

First off in defense of myself, It was not I who originally used the phrase “True Catholic”. My quote was this…“If Catholics are true to their faith they will vote for Romney. There is no way that any Catholic that puts God first in their lives and truly lives their faith, as we are called to do, can vote for…” .And, I stand by it!

 

[GRATEFULONEjim]

And while I’m not sure the exact forum policy you were looking for in this regard, I found this which may be of some help for you.

“Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks… Catholics must be charitable in their discussions…”

I suppose saying a baptized, confirmed Catholic is not a true Catholic even though it is contrary to Church teaching, could to some fall under a personal attack and being uncharitable. But isn’t for me to say as I’m not the mod you’re looking for.

In any case peace and God’s blessings to you always along your faith walk.

I am not personally attacking anyone or being uncharitable. I am simply saying that as Catholics, we are required to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church without question. Those individuals who do not do this are not being true to their faith or themselves. I am sorry if there are people out there who may disagree with that statement, but it is what it is. We have the Catechism to guide us in the teachings of the Church. Everything we need to know as guidelines is in there. Individuals who decide to pick and choose which teachings they are going to follow and still see themselves as living within the guidelines of the Church are mistaken. I agree with you that a baptized , confirmed Catholic is a Catholic. That is something that can not be taken from us. What I am calling people out on is if they are living their lives true to their faith. True to the teachings of the Catholic Church. It was **mommamia **back in post # 87 that 1st used the phrase “True Catholic”.

 

[mommamia]

First off in defense of myself, It was not I who originally used the phrase “True Catholic”. My quote was this…“If Catholics are true to their faith they will vote for Romney. There is no way that any Catholic that puts God first in their lives and truly lives their faith, as we are called to do, can vote for…” .And, I stand by it!

I truly apologize if you thought that I was singling you out in my posts. I meant not so much to point out a single poster, but a trend.

ETA: I do not feel personally attacked, I never said who I would support in the race

 

[CMatt25]

I am not personally attacking anyone or being uncharitable. I am simply saying that as Catholics, we are required to follow the teachings of the Catholic Church without question. Those individuals who do not do this are not being true to their faith or themselves. I am sorry if there are people out there who may disagree with that statement, but it is what it is. We have the Catechism to guide us in the teachings of the Church. Everything we need to know as guidelines is in there. Individuals who decide to pick and choose which teachings they are going to follow and still see themselves as living within the guidelines of the Church are mistaken. I agree with you that a baptized , confirmed Catholic is a Catholic. That is something that can not be taken from us. What I am calling people out on is if they are living their lives true to their faith. True to the teachings of the Catholic Church. It was **mommamia **back in post # 87 that 1st used the phrase “True Catholic”.

I’m glad to know you agree a baptized, confirmed Catholic is a true Catholic because I’ve run into some here who don’t seem to. They insist on the use of quotation marks around the term, Catholic, to describe some Catholics or protest when such a Catholic identifies as such. Or even disallow the ID despite Church teaching to the contrary. But I really meant my post to be more a general one not directed specifically at you. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. God bless you on your faith journey and peace.

 

[CMatt25]

I truly apologize if you thought that I was singling you out in my posts. I meant not so much to point out a single poster, but a trend.

That’s what I just said too before reading yours.

 

[Lapey]

A person who has been baptized, confirmed, received the Eucharist, etc. may be in fact a Catholic. But to be a Catholic means we are called to live as the Church teaches, not as we feel the Church should teach. Many, including myself for a majority of my life, live and have lived as a baptized Catholic “pagan” (not literally of course). My point is it matters how we live, and how we vote. Our actions speak much louder than our words.

To vote for the current president means a vote for abortion, same sex marriage, stem cell research with embryos, etc. He also has not gotten us out of the unjust wars, JP II’s words, which he promised to do. He is also proposing mandates to religious groups and/or individuals to go against their consciences with the health care bill.

If you look at these two candidates, and I am not a supporter of Romney, a person who is Catholic, and is informed of what the Church truly teaches, there is no choice, it has to be Romney. It’s not just one item, it is many.

When it comes to abortion, do you realize that had McCain won in ’08 the possibility of two more pro-life judges could have been appointed to the Supreme Court? Instead we have two very liberal judges. This election is key to saving unborn lives more than ever. The general population as a whole is more pro-life than ever at about 50-50. The tide has turned, legalized murder is on its last leg in America, praise God!!! The choice is ours; we can choose life or death.

Abortion is not the only issue, but it is the key issue. The “life issue” has many aspects to it, only one is and always has been listed as intrinsically evil; abortion. Feeding the hungry, war, death penalty, etc., none equal killing the unborn.

The bishop’s statement can be misused on both sides, I agree. It also does not give a “voters guide” I also agree. But it does paint a picture of how the Church sees the middle. For example, the pro-choice stance is left and killing an abortion doctor is far right; pro-life anti-abortion in all cases is center. A pro-lifer is not right winged because of this stance, but centrist.

One can read into anything something that makes them feel better about an action or a belief, that doesn’t make it so. Catholics elected PBO, this fact is embarrassing. I pray that PBO is a one term former politician come January ’13.