Will Christianity in USA die in short time?

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USA is becoming more and more secular and i think that at one point the nation will be almost completely atheistic. The millitary no longer has the right to preach the gospel or they can end up in prison. What’s next, you won’t be allowed to teach about Jesus to your own child? I don’t live in America but as i can see USA has incredible influence on Europe, mo homeland. The sexual revolution expanded from USA to Europe. When homosexuality was made legal in USA, European countries started to debate over legalizing homosexuality. And i think homosexuality will become legal in most European countries soon. What do you think on the subject?
 
I think at the end of the harvest the wheat and the weeds will be separated.

Then the weeds will be thrown into the fire and burned.

It is every wheat grain for himself now.
 
If America destroys its Christian demographic, American society will implode.

The only way a society can continue to exist without constant turmoil is if good, decent, God-loving people still live there to stabilize it. If they are removed, anarchy will eventually take force.
 
Christianity will never die in America or anywhere else. As long as people exist, there will always be those who believe. Period. They may try to make Christianity illegal, but people will do it in secret and in basements and use Bibles and Christianity as an underground market type thing. But people will always believe.
 
Read anything the main stream media has to say about religion with a big grain of salt! Despite what many would like to see, Christianity is not about to die in the U.S , nor anywhere else, as other posters have already stated. Consider the situation after Christs death. The Church was illegal and persecuted and yet it grew and in 300 years until it was the religion of the empire, wiping out Roman paganism. Church history has experienced times of much greater decline of faith and in every case, Christ provided saints and popes, other churchmen and faithful laity who revived the Church and reversed the decline of the Christian influence. The same will happen in these times and we are not nearly in the decline we have seen in other eras of Christianity.

So there is no need to fear if one is a Christian , and no reason for optimism is one is an opponent of the Church.

Too many people are ignorant of history to see that the Church will never die and gates of hell will not prevail!
 
I don’t think America will ever become a predominantly atheistic nation. American culture just is not like that. Much of Europe maybe, but not the United States. The vast majority of Americans still believe in God and put value in some sort of spirituality. Generally there is also an intense interest in Jesus Christ.

On the other hand the United States has always been a nation of heretics, and it is getting worse. I think we will see a continued decline in comparatively orthodox forms of Christianity in favor of bizarre, sometimes more secular and individualistic reinterpretations.
 
I think at the end of the harvest the wheat and the weeds will be separated.

Then the weeds will be thrown into the fire and burned.

It is every wheat grain for himself now.
Christianity has never been an “every-man-for-himself” religion. As a wise teacher of mine often said, “God saves us in bunches.” His salvation was extended to increasingly larger groups of people: a couple (Adam & Eve), a family (Noah), a tribe (Abraham), a nation (Moses), a kingdom (David), and a Church (Jesus). We are all part of the one Body of Christ. Our worship is always communal. Like it or not, we are in this together. 😉

While I suppose it’s certainly possible for Christianity to disappear from a certain geographic locale, I don’t think that’s going to happen in the U.S. in a “short time.” Certainly, we face an increasing number of obstacles. But there are still many here with faith. And they will not disappear overnight.
 
Christianity will never die in America or anywhere else. As long as people exist, there will always be those who believe. Period. They may try to make Christianity illegal, but people will do it in secret and in basements and use Bibles and Christianity as an underground market type thing. But people will always believe.
Thankfully, the United States Constitution prevents any religion being outlawed. The first clause of the first Amendment to the Constitution reads:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”

This Amendment is a double-edged sword to most Christians. On the one hand, it guarantees the free practice of Christianity in the United States. On the other hand, it prohibits the promotion/use of Christianity in any governmental institution, which is why prayer in public schools and the military (which are considered government institutions) is coming under fire lately.

Personally, I am fine with prayer not being allowed in government institutions, as long as those same government institutions do not prevent people from praying privately.
 
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USA is becoming more and more secular and i think that at one point the nation will be almost completely atheistic. Obama is a supposed Christian and he strongly opposes Christianity. The millitary no longer has the right to preach the gospel or they can end up in prison. What’s next, you won’t be allowed to teach about Jesus to your own child? I don’t live in America but as i can see USA has incredible influence on Europe, mo homeland. The sexual revolution expanded from USA to Europe. When homosexuality was made legal in USA, European countries started to debate over legalizing homosexuality. And i think homosexuality will become legal in most European countries soon. What do you think on the subject?
Timi, I won’t tell you your concern is misplaced or unreasonable, but the information you present to back up that concern is not factual.

Just a couple examples–Women’s Suffrage, arguably the very beginning of the “sexual revolution,” did not occur in the US until the 1920’s. In some of the Nordic countries, women were able to vote since the 19th century. Latvia had suffrage before the US did. If you don’t think suffrage is the beginning of the sexual revolution (again, it’s arguable), there is little doubt that Freudian psychology is the fertile soil from which the revolution springs. It is not for nothing that Freud remarked to Jung as they sailed into New York Harbor, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.” That was 1909.

Regarding homosexuality, the French Revolutionaries decriminalized it in the 18th century, a move that was re-enforced by the Napoleonic code which effectively made homosexuality legal in most of continental Europe in the early 1800s. England decriminalized homosexuality in 1967, following the recommendations of the Wolfenden Report of 1957. In Iceland, homosexuality has been legal since 1940. In the US, homosexuality was not decriminalized nationwide until Lawrence v. Texas in 2003.

Is the US becoming more secular? I’m not sure. We’re not becoming less religious, it is only that the religions that we’re choosing (conservative religion, liberal religion, consumer religion, feel-good religion, spiritual-but-not-religious religion, self religion) don’t seem to be Christian. There is no dearth of faith among the people of the US–the question is, “In what are people putting their faith?”

Our founding fathers were certainly men of faith, but their experience with state religion in England led them to be suspicious of the virtue of such things (state support or advocacy of a particular religious institution) in their new home. Consequently, the principles on which American political and cultural life are founded are more Enlightenment than Gospel, more Hume and Locke and less Matthew or John. They had a peculiar optimism regarding private moral and religious values which amounted to: religion is part of our cultural heritage and its work of teaching individual people morals and values will be best served if the state gets out of the way. The state never felt obligated to encourage religious observance or the cultivation of any particular religious values or morality apart from what it could legally enforce. Gradually, however, as the population changed, as culture changed, as people changed, the private morality and civic virtue which the fathers thought would naturally be part of the landscape atrophied as the only thing which informed everyone’s civic identity was merely the legal structures on which the state was based. That’s a recipe for partisanship, civil unrest, social decay. (See Hauerwas’ “The Church and Liberal Democracy: The Moral Limits of a Secular Polity” in A Community of Character: Toward a Constructice Christian Social Ethic for more on this–this is just a really bad precis.)

In all of this, however, let us not forget a couple things: Empires rise and fall. States go in decline, come back, fall away, and vanish. Every city will one day be charming ruins to some tourist or other at some future date. Everything men build will always be falling apart from the moment they build it. That’s just the way it is. But! God is still God. And all things work toward the fulfillment he has planned for all things. In the words of Jesus to his servant, Julian of Norwich, “All shall be well and all shall be well and all manner of thing shall be well.” As he tells us in the Gospel: “In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.”

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace and Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
If some of you think that Christianity is on the way to being “dead”, you should have participated in the Rosary Crusade a few weeks ago – there were THOUSANDS participating in the Crusade, and of course, there was not one word in our local newspaper about it.
In addition,perhaps you should come to daily Mass at our St. Patrick’s Church in downtown San Francisco – a couple of weeks ago a visitor asked me if the Church was always that crowded??? There are always LOTS of people there and some weekdays the Church is almost full!!!
 
Christianity will never die in America or anywhere else. As long as people exist, there will always be those who believe. Period. They may try to make Christianity illegal, but people will do it in secret and in basements and use Bibles and Christianity as an underground market type thing. But people will always believe.
Revelation doesn’t indicate this is a given. The Churches in Revelation were once flourishing Christian communities Ephesus had Mary herself attend and they all fell. Christians are more mobile now and can communicate better with one another so it is easier to repel persecution but it is still going to happen in places where relativism is rampant how far we are pushed is another thing.
 
Revelation doesn’t indicate this is a given. The Churches in Revelation were once flourishing Christian communities Ephesus had Mary herself attend and they all fell. Christians are more mobile now and can communicate better with one another so it is easier to repel persecution but it is still going to happen in places where relativism is rampant how far we are pushed is another thing.
Small factual note, there has been a continuous presence of Christians in Smyrna, which is now a huge city called Izmir. Thus, so far in history six of the seven churches of Revelation have fallen. Though in some cases like Ephesus it was not so much the abandonment of Christianity as the abandonment of the city itself (Ephesus is now a ruin).
 
Well, first, thank your for your observations. It is interesting to hear how things are viewed in other countries. While there is some validity to what you are saying, I think one point is a little off. Our churches, at this point, in many areas, are very full. And I’m told that in many European countries, they sit nearly vacant as reminders of days gone by.

As far as my personal life, and what I can view around me, (minus the media circus), is that I am living , working, and worshiping in a strong faithful parish that is simply brimming with life and love. And this is in Las Vegas, NV!!! Perhaps, (next to New York, NY because of it’s size), the most decadent, pagan, sin filled replica of Sodom and Gomorrah on the face of the planet earth. Even in the midst of this God forsaken outpost of all that is the very worst about the human being in general, my parish, and several others that I am aware of, and have visited are full to busting (for Sunday masses anyway). Our line for confession on Saturday’s is long, and sometimes we have to go to the Cathedral, where they have more confessionals, more often. If it’s like that here, in little Hell, I am guessing that in cities which are a little farther down the fire and brimstone list, that the Churches are doing even better, but I can’t swear to that. On EWTN, I still hear that things are pretty dismal in the US, and that we’re headed right down the road of the UK and France. What has happened, by and large, in the U.S. is an adoption of moral relativism by the masses. It sometimes seems like an elevation of sexual immorality from a vice to a virtue. And the despising of sexual immorality is not treated very well. If you hate sexual immorality, you are likely going to be singled out as a bigot, and a hater by those who identify their sexual lifestyle above and beyond any other aspect of their character or personhood. For instance, where I might identify myself to someone as a Catholic Christian father and husband, many would identify themselves as “gay” or LGBT or something like that as their first modus of identity. Sexuality has overpowered every aspect of their lives. To the point where their particular sexual sin is being codified into law books, and being used as a dividing rod in the culture itself. It’s odd too. Because nobody has ever identified themselves to me as an adulterer, or a fornicator, or a masturbator, or a porn addict. Yet, if their particular form of sexual immorality is homosexual sex acts, it’s the first thing out their mouths. It’s a very loud, and powerful political and cultural lobby. Even though it effects less than 10% of the population in all actuality.

The United States finds itself at the precipice of a great cultural divide. Between the politics of the Democratic and Repuplican parties who insist that 50 to 51 percent of us are in heated conflict with the other 50 to 49 percent of us, we may have no more moderate politicians. We seem to be doomed to having either left wing liberalism bordering on communism, or a right wing ultra-conservatism. In both cases, control of the media, propaganda, and unfathomable sums of money are involved in a wrestle for control of the minds of the average Joe, who really just wants a decent priced tank of gas, and a good job that will allow him to support his family. Both hard winged sides tell us that in order to achieve these things we must give up a certain aspect of our soul, and our belief in God. In liberalism, we are asked to make an idol of the federal government. In ultra-conservatism, we’re asked to make an idol of money. In both systems, the weak get weaker, and the strong get stronger, and the poor are still equally disenfranchised, and equally despised, in spite of the teachings of Jesus Christ, our Lord, who has been lost in the shuffle.

Yet…still…I sense something happening. It’s very small. There are a few more people at mass than there were just a few months ago. People I meet are a little more open to real conversation and dialog. An abortion clinic closes here. A “gentleman’s club” closes there. The food pantries around town are just a little fuller. Small, subtle things. Perhaps it’s not a large and revolutionary way that the Christian ideal manifests itself. Perhaps it is literally one or two souls at a time. I’ve read the end of the book, and I know that after some turmoil, God wins. Jesus did not die in vain. So, I continue to be hopeful. To love my neighbor, and enact little changes in myself which are in accord with God’s will for me. Fine tuning every day. I don’t think I’m alone. In fact, I think most of us wish ultimately to please God, and be with Him for eternity in heaven. Because of the incarnation, the passion and the resurrection we can all do this. And we will. I feel it in my bones. So…we’re having some troubles. What country isn’t? But don’t count us yanks out just yet. You may find that we’ll be a moral, guiding light, by the grace of God, as soon as he’s done a little housekeeping around here. Which I can’t help but feeling is going on, even as I write this.

May God bless and keep you.

Steve
 
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USA is becoming more and more secular and i think that at one point the nation will be almost completely atheistic. Obama is a supposed Christian and he strongly opposes Christianity. The millitary no longer has the right to preach the gospel or they can end up in prison. What’s next, you won’t be allowed to teach about Jesus to your own child? I don’t live in America but as i can see USA has incredible influence on Europe, mo homeland. The sexual revolution expanded from USA to Europe. When homosexuality was made legal in USA, European countries started to debate over legalizing homosexuality. And i think homosexuality will become legal in most European countries soon. What do you think on the subject?
If it does it will happen because believers spend too much time lamenting the possible decline of the Church (Which will NEVER happen because Jesus told us the netherworld shall not prevail over it), and not enough time proclaiming the Good News!

Let’s get out there and make some converts!
 
USA is becoming more and more secular and i think that at one point the nation will be almost completely atheistic.
I doubt that. I could see a lot more of the “spiritual but not religious” people being present, but nothing that would be threatening to Christianity. There’s no hint of a complete departure from Christianity. Statements about Christianity disappearing in the USA predate my birth (and I’m no spring chicken). I wouldn’t take such stories too seriously.

I took a glance at the source that you shared. It seems to present information in a selectively misleading way. You may find it helpful to first read about the sections of the USA Constitution to have a better understanding of the events related to religion and law in the USA.
And i think homosexuality will become legal in most European countries soon. What do you think on the subject?
In the USA while various states had imposed laws against homosexuality such laws were found to be a violation of the 4th amendment of the USA Constitution. Without prohibitions against it its a disposition that falls under “unenumerated rights.” This is one of those items for which familiarity with the Constitution is helpful.
 
The idea that the faith is dying even in Europe is media spin. Even in France there is an extraordinary youth movement among Catholics that is deeply devout and came out en masse to oppose same-sex marriage legislation last summer. It shocked a lot of the same people who suppose that Catholicism was dead in the country.

In America we suffer from the other side of that coin–people think that we are a particularly devout place when, in fact, we are a very pagan country. That makes genuine renewal hard because too many people look at Europe and feel good that it isn’t that bad. Most of our church attendance statistics are exaggerated anyway. Do half of your neighbors really attend church every week? Not in most places they don’t. We kid ourselves if we believe that this is a truly Christian country.

The good thing is that more Christians are waking up to this, and that clarity is driving real evangelical renewal in the Church. Frankly, I think that there is a lot of validity to the argument that this will actually deepen the nation’s religious commitment. The point is that qualitative religious growth won’t be measured in pro-life or pro-marriage legislation. In our libertarian zeitgeist this likely won’t happen. The political structures and our laws will continue to decline until that renewal reaches those people and that part of society.

That means that persecution may deepen as, at the same time, renewal deepens and grows. What looks like a dark future is actually a very bright one.

I have struggled a lot with this question lately. I also see the possibility of great darkness growing without the kind of renewal that I see now. But that only happens if the Church stops evangelizing in response to hostility and persecution. The truth is that my baby daughter may die for the faith in her lifetime. That is a real possibility, as Cardinal George has famously noted. But we know that the cross is always victorious.
 
Grace & Peace!

Timi, I won’t tell you your concern is misplaced or unreasonable, but the information you present to back up that concern is not factual.

Just a couple examples–Women’s Suffrage, arguably the very beginning of the “sexual revolution,” did not occur in the US until the 1920’s. In some of the Nordic countries, women were able to vote since the 19th century. Latvia had suffrage before the US did. If you don’t think suffrage is the beginning of the sexual revolution (again, it’s arguable), there is little doubt that Freudian psychology is the fertile soil from which the revolution springs. It is not for nothing that Freud remarked to Jung as they sailed into New York Harbor, “They don’t realize that we are bringing them the plague.” That was 1909.

Regarding homosexuality, the French Revolutionaries decriminalized it in the 18th century, a move that was re-enforced by the Napoleonic code which effectively made homosexuality legal in most of continental Europe in the early 1800s. England decriminalized homosexuality in 1967, following the recommendations of the Wolfenden Report of 1957. In Iceland, homosexuality has been legal since 1940. In the US, homosexuality was not decriminalized nationwide until Lawrence v. Texas in 2003.
Yes, that’s what I was thinking. Europe made homosexuality legal long before the US did, and many thought it was because of Europe that there was pressure to legalize it here. Europe has always been ahead of America in the area of sexuality and sexual freedom.
 
There are too many examples of rapid de-Christianization to say that it cannot happen here. Look at Ireland, for example. It can happen in a single generation. I am a 20-something, and I suspect that those who are older may not quite grasp how bad it really is. Young people not only have little I regard for organized religion, but many are downright hostile to it. Baby Boomers may be lax, but at least they have been exposed to Christian rituals, faith, and values. My generation is the first without at least widespread exposure to authentic Christian faith. There are many deeply committed Christians my age in this country. But we are a very small minority. Our voices are therefore that much more vital to the future of the country. But nobody should comfort themselves with the wrong notion that we are part of some non-existent majority.
 
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