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God will judge you on your faith, not on your religion.
Yes, you are correct. The separation itself is sinful and needs to be repented of, and then unity restored. Unity was very much on the mind of Jesus just before his crucifixion, as we see in John 17. And yet, amongst those who call themselves Christians who are separated from us, there is much good and much truth in some of what they say. It can be helpful to the building of one’s faith. There’s a danger of course as well, of being led away from the church. But the picture is a little bit more complicated than they’re all wrong and we’re right. For instance, it’s probably a lot better to listen to evangelical protestant Christian radio than, for instance, rap radio.All others are sinful separation from that one body.
This is one of the absolutely most confusing things I’ve seen posted.God will judge you on your faith, not on your religion.
However, they can and do commit personal sins (venial and mortal).Anyone who received a valid baptism, whether Catholic or protestant is a member of the body of Christ and has been cleansed of original sin.
The Church also teaches that those who are not Catholic will be saved.Remember that the Church teaches there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church
I’m not sure about the excommunication issue, but it’s my understanding that those who leave the church, knowing that it is the Church Christ established (aka necessary for salvation) would also be damned?If someone leaves the Catholic Church knowing that it is necessary for salvation is excommunicated.
If someone knowing the Church is necessary for salvation and fails to enter it…is damned?
No it doesn’t. Show me in the CCC where it says that.The Church also teaches that those who are not Catholic will be saved.
Arent you contradicting yourself?By the way you cannot even say Catholics “will” be saved. There is no salvation assurance. Only those who die in a state of grace are saved. Nobody knows in advance who will be saved.
With what? If you mean salvation assurance that is something Protestants believe. It means (according to them) if you believe in Jesus you are saved no matter how much you sin and keep on sinning. That is why I said there is no salvation assurance. Nobody knows while they are alive that they are assured of being saved.Arent you contradicting yourself?
That is not a true belief of all Protestants any more then all Catholic worship Mary.if you believe in Jesus you are saved no matter how much you sin and keep on sinning.
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No it doesn’t. Show me in the CCC where it says that.The Church also teaches that those who are not Catholic will be saved.
I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m saying the same thing in a different way. Catholic is a term encompassing all believers in Christ. Catholic refers to the universal church, so in a very real sense, many protestants are already a part of the “catholic church,” they simply have not come in to the Catholic Church.[818] “However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church.”
[819] “Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth” are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: “the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements.” Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him, and are in themselves calls to “Catholic unity.”
That sounds more like it.not sure about the excommunication issue, but it’s my understanding that those who leave the church, knowing that it is the Church Christ established (aka necessary for salvation) would also be damned?