Will one be surprised of God's judgement on his soul at the moment of death?

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SPOKENWORD:
Which God have you created that fits your belief system? Is it the NO god? The Truth is that God did creat a hell for those who reject His mercy.Gods law is written on your heart. You need to come to your senses and realize you have sinned against God and if you continue in this state you will be condemed. Mercy is available to you But you must repent from your sins. Jesus will step forward and save you from hell. Its up to you my freind. :confused: God Bless
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You tell him spoken!

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I tend, occasionally, to think of the “surprise” my deceased and dear, dear mormon friend got after death. I pray for his soul at each and every Mass.
Has anyone here read “The Great Divorce” by C.S. Lewis? It always comes to mind during a discussion of heaven, hell and purgatory.
 
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wcknight:
The Christian Hell (or Heaven) will exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists of not.

Ignoring God, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it go away.
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Oh,well, that’s not much of an argument, is it? Just like this one:
The Christian Hell (or Heaven) does not exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists or not.

Imagining God, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it true.

Or even better:
The Muslim Hell (or Heaven) will exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists of not.

Ignoring Allah, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it go away.
It it more plausible to believe that all of the testimonies of encounters with God were made by mad men or folks with hallucinations ?..]
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I strongly doubt, any of those miracles will stand a scientific examination.
There are a lot more questions left unanswered IF God does not exists, than there are, if He does exists.
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On the contrary, a god raises more questions than he answers. Postulating a god to fill the gaps of human knowledge is an easy but not satisfactory way to explain the unknown.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
Thanks Mickey,It goes to show Anathiest that God loves Him and does not want to see him perish. Lets keep him in prayer. 👍 God Bless
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Will do spokenword! 👍

I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. ** (Lk 15:7)**
 
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AnAtheist:
Oh,well, that’s not much of an argument, is it? Just like this one:
The Christian Hell (or Heaven) does not exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists or not.

Imagining God, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it true.

Or even better:
The Muslim Hell (or Heaven) will exist for you and for everybody regardless of whether you believing it exists of not.

Ignoring Allah, Heaven or Hell doesn’t make any of it go away.

I strongly doubt, any of those miracles will stand a scientific examination.

On the contrary, a god raises more questions than he answers. Postulating a god to fill the gaps of human knowledge is an easy but not satisfactory way to explain the unknown.
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No scientific explanation for any of the miracles have been offered nor will there ever be.

There are medically documented miracles at Lourdes and at Fatima. There are no explanation for these events, cancers or tumors than disappeared with no apparent reason. In one patient they got their sight back even though there is no physical retina in their eyes and there still in no retina today.

Is there any medical explanation that someone can see without retinas ??? Medical science can not explain it, can you ?

They asked for the intercession of the Almighty and they got it.

IF you visit Medjugore in Croatia, Our Lady has said that if she had to she would appear to anyone who seeks to learn the truth about God.

I don’t have to imagine anything to know God exists and neither do you or anyone else.

wc
 
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abcdefg:
will you be surprised if God decides your soul will directly to heaven or hell?

I mean if one is pretty clear of if he has any unconfessed mortal sins at his death. though those who are sure of going directly heaven are mostly protestants, are they surprised when they have to go to purgatory first?
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Hello, abcdefg…

I once read a book called Heaven and Hell. I can’t remember the author’s name…sorry. I loved the way this author described the process…it goes like this…

A person is not sent to Hell by our all loving God…he is our father and he wants us all to be with Him…rather…a person who is clothed in sin without repentence chooses Hell, because the sins on his mortal soul are like wounds. We have all heard of “the light of God” which is actually the light of Love pure…the Light of God’s love would be like salt to the wounds of the unrepentent soul and would burn when the light touches him, and so He would Flee from the light into the darkness never to be with God again…
 
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AnAtheist:
On the contrary, a god raises more questions than he answers. Postulating a god to fill the gaps of human knowledge is an easy but not satisfactory way to explain the unknown.
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AnAtheist:

Why don’t you argue with a dog about why he barks? If you are a true atheist, then you would get as much enjoyment arguing with the dog as you would with a human about God. My guess is that, if you don’t already know, you would soon learn that barking is in the nature of dogs. With that said, why are you arguing with Christians about their belief in God? A fact of humanity is that we are religious creatures and religion is in our nature. Anthropology has proven this.

For once in your life, give-in to your humanity. Go find a Catholic Mass this Easter Sunday, and as the priest raises the Eucharist, ask Jesus Christ to come into your life. If you ask him for the grace of conversion, he will give it to you.
 
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AnAtheist:
I strongly doubt, any of those miracles will stand a scientific examination.
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I, along with my entire family, neighbors and many others witnessed a supernatural event over the course of two weeks when I was 10 years old. The police were even called and investigated but could do nothing. It was an incredibly negative experience so we all avoided talking about after it happened. I became an agnostic in my mid-twenties. The only reason I did not become a confirmed atheist is because of that experience. During this period I wondered if I correctly remembered the details related to this event. I thought that maybe, over the years, I had dreamed some of the more impossible circumstances up. I decided to find out by interviewing as many of those involved as possible. I spent two months slowly and methodically interviewing everyone involved (13 people). I asked them each to please keep my visit to themselves because I didn’t want one person to influence another. The only thing I asked them is to please tell me what they remember. Their stories varied very little, and none at all on the substantive points and they matched what I had remembered almost exactly.

If I told you this story I’m sure you would not believe me. I resist telling it because even some religious people have refused to believe me. But, it happened, it was witnessed by many people over an extended period of time and it could never be explained scientifically. It can only be explained spiritually. Whether you can accept it or not there is a spiritual reality. Billions of people can testify to it from their spiritual experiences… Many others, like me, can testify to it from our physical experiences. I’m sure you’ll choose to dismiss my experience, but it is to your detriment to not at least accept the possibility of it occurring.
 
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JimG:
I don’t think that “surprise” will be an element of our state after death. The thing about death is, that it causes all sensory (name removed by moderator)ut to cease. There is no more (name removed by moderator)ut. There is nothing more that will cause us to “change our minds.” What we were at the instant of death, we will be for eternity. At the same time, being without bodies, we will be able to perceive the actual state of our souls. Being fully aware of our actual imperfections, inclinations, repented and unrepented sins, is itself a purgation. We become painfully aware. As we approach God, who is ultimate perfection, the closer we come to him, the more painfully we are aware of our flaws, which are burned off in the fire of his love. That is how I perceive purgatory. If we have already set our will against God, there is no reason to change our minds now, and we will hate him all the more, rushing to put distance between ourselves and him. That is hell.
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   Hi Jim:

   Some would give their possible sentence of damnation the benefit of the doubt, but I'm hoping more for an actual trial. If it's not a trial then we are being processed, and scripture is wrong. But I intend to come out fighting as any defence team in this world and next is expected to do. (Whatever you bind on earth, is bound in heaven).

   If heaven is anything like scripture says it is then it has no fear if an insignificant human being makes a case for himself. I will ask that my argument be presented first. Since I'm new to the domain, and all participants are new, I will make my opening argument to be the proof that the trial itself is capable of justice. I will call past cases where civilizations that were smote in the past and have committed unrepented mortal sins collectively and warranted damnation were indeed given such sentence, collectively.

    I will seek to discredit the witness to the prosecution, society. The prosecution will measure my sins on how they impacted society. If society can prove it to be upright and righteous then I will ask by what example did I gain by it's conduct, since good now uses it(evil) as a case against me?
If no answer is forthcoming then I will dismiss the witness testimony and ask the court clerk to strike his testimony from the record. If society has died for unrepentent mortal sins and is present, I will ask where it’s trial juridiction took place so I too can escape Hades to attend trial later. If it is still alive then I would state it is pre-mature to call it.
Code: 
   All evidence circumstantial so far, I will request to actually see (exhibit A) the millions damned at once in the inferno, including the children from the tribes of Moses(Ex). Niches for torture, and all. All in the court room will be waiting also.

   I will determine if those damned (all cases remaining equal) were damned in consecutive order or establishing precedence. (There should be none as we are loved to God's maximum). If not then those who waranted it have been given an unjust reprieve of sentence, and I will request for a postponement.      

  This is just an example of my case. I would settle all the issues first, all the questions answered. I would request a justification of death on Aninais and his wife in front of Peter, a review of the sins the horrible infants committed in front of Moses to deserve the abyse, I would ask if it was no intention to have hell exist for humans pre Adam why it was created for human habitation on creation, etc.

   Futile? of course, but while extinction is not a third option, the trial will be a deadly serious process to me, Russion Roulette a La Celeste one might say. 

   AndyF
 
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AndyF:
Hi Jim:

Some would give their possible sentence of damnation the benefit of the doubt, but I’m hoping more for an actual trial. If it’s not a trial then we are being processed, and scripture is wrong. But I intend to come out fighting as any defence team in this world and next is expected to do. (Whatever you bind on earth, is bound in heaven).

If heaven is anything like scripture says it is then it has no fear if an insignificant human being makes a case for himself…

All evidence circumstantial so far, I will request to actually see (exhibit A) the millions damned at once in the inferno, including the children from the tribes of Moses(Ex). Niches for torture, and all. All in the court room will be waiting also.

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Futile? of course, but while extinction is not a third option, the trial will be a deadly serious process to me, Russion Roulette a La Celeste one might say.

AndyF
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You sound like a lawyer. You would probably win by default as there are probably no lawyers in Heaven to prosecute the case…
which begs the point, how did the first lawyer lose to get into Hell if there was no lawyer there to prosecute him 🙂

WC
 
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