Will Papal Directive to US on EMHC's Purifying Sacred Vessels be Followed or Ignored?

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Orion’s problem is a manmade crisis.

So there’s a parking lot problem…fine, change the Mass times.

Oh, but wait, the Bishop won’t allow it.

And whyever not?

If you keep multiplying problems, of course this can’t get solved.

It’s a manmade crisis. If you need 3 Masses on a Sunday morning, it’s easy to spread them out widely.

But in my experience, the REAL problem is often the feeling of most parishioners that 1 hr. is just about their limit…
 
It will be followed here in Los Angeles…when the moon turns blood red and the trumpets sound…

james
 
decn2b said:
Those who would leave because of going over the magical 1 hour time slot likely were looking for an excuse to stay home and watch JJ jetplane anyway.
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Exactly. If we lengthen the time between Masses, and/or have no/fewer Extrordinary Ministers of Holy Communion, and that results in Masses being a bit longer, then those who can’t wait can either sit in the front to recieve, so everyone can see them leave early :rolleyes: or just stay home.
 
Tomster said:
The American bishops will make all of the extra-ordinary ministers acolytes and and circumvent the whole situation.

Tomster
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Which would place a huge schism in the church much like the lefebrists only worse because if that were to happen WOMEN would be instituted into a minor order of the priesthood… Acolyte is a minor order of th priesthood and and the priesthood is open to MEN only. Man could you imagine the uproar if the church here in the US of A actually did only use acolytes?/ WOW. No more women EMHCs!!!
 
decn2b said:
Which would place a huge schism in the church much like the lefebrists only worse because if that were to happen WOMEN would be instituted into a minor order of the priesthood… Acolyte is a minor order of th priesthood and and the priesthood is open to MEN only.
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I wonder how long it would take Rome to put a stop to it, if the USCCB actually did try to make all EMHC’s alcolytes?
 
decn2b said:
. Man could you imagine the uproar if the church here in the US of A actually did only use acolytes?/ WOW.
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That would be my thought as well.

A lot of bishops have refused to institute acolytes because only males may chosen.

I can just imagine the uproar in some parishes, even diocese, if they were told that only Acolytes (and therefore, only men) could be used.

On the plus side, this might encourage more bishops to Institute more men as Acolytes.

In most diocese, including my own, the only Instituded Acolytes are those men that are studying for the Priesthood or Diaconate.
 
I have a friend who is an instituted acoyte. I am certain that he is the only one in my diocese that isnt going to be a deacon or a priest. He came here from lincoln. I told him that he would be working every mass every weekend for awhile.
 
kmknapp said:
Of course it will be complied with.

However, it only applies to the ablution, or purification, not to the washing up. So Father will do the ablution instead of the sacristan, and the sacristan/emhc’s/servers will still end up with the dishpan hands after. (Yes, every parish I’ve been in as an adult has dishsoap&water washed the chalices after every Mass.)

Also, it does not change the directives in the liturgical documents about Communion in both Species. [highly recommended]

karen marie
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While still highly reccomended it was also reccomended that the faithful be reminded of the teaching of Trent that the whole of Christ is present under both or either species and that offering the chalice to all might not always be the appropriate thing to do. Too many people seem to believe that it is their right to receive under both species at all times and get highly offended if it is not offered in that fashion.
 
Holly(name removed by moderator) said:
Can someone explain to a non-Catholic the difference between the “purification” and the “washing up?” I’m assuming that purification takes place during the service as a part of the Sacrament and the washing up is obviously the physical cleansing of the vessels. From what I can see, this directive does not restrict EMHCs from distributing the Host, is that correct? How would limiting them from purification lengthen the Mass?

All of these questions are in the spirit of learning only . . .
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Hi, Holly’s Mom!

Glad to clarify. As you probably know, being you are hanging out here, the Holy Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus. That means every last drop and crumb is. So, following Communion, before any regular-type washing happens, the chalices and patens (plates for communion) are rinsed with water and that water drunk by the priest/deacon/acolyte to assure the elimination of any lingering drops/crumbs. That’s what is called the “ablution” or “purification”. Once that is done, then any normal-type washing is done, for cleanliness.

In the before-days, this ablution was done at the altar, before the post-communion prayer and dismissal; still is in some places. That plus 8 or 10 or 12 chalices for communing the congregation — most Catholic parishes in the USA are megachurches — does make for a delay. Which sometimes causes grief in mega-parishes with not-so-mega church buildings, therefore lots of Masses each Sunday, often every 90 minutes all morning and into the afternoon…

karen marie
 
Jakub said:
It will be followed here in Los Angeles…when the moon turns blood red and the trumpets sound…

james
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Well, the place is already full of plagues (see West Hollywood) and the Abomination has been built.:bowdown:
 
AlexV said:
Orion’s problem is a manmade crisis.

So there’s a parking lot problem…fine, change the Mass times.

Oh, but wait, the Bishop won’t allow it.

And whyever not?

If you keep multiplying problems, of course this can’t get solved.

It’s a manmade crisis. If you need 3 Masses on a Sunday morning, it’s easy to spread them out widely.

But in my experience, the REAL problem is often the feeling of most parishioners that 1 hr. is just about their limit…
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I don’t even know how to respond. We have three Masses. For physical, logistical, community and other reasons, changing the Mass times are not an option. You can sit there in your smug little place and take shots at our parish, our pastor, and our Bishop but I’m just goint to shake the dust from my feet. :mad:
 
decn2b said:
Which would place a huge schism in the church much like the lefebrists only worse because if that were to happen WOMEN would be instituted into a minor order of the priesthood… Acolyte is a minor order of th priesthood and and the priesthood is open to MEN only. Man could you imagine the uproar if the church here in the US of A actually did only use acolytes?/ WOW. No more women EMHCs!!!
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Isn’t that what some of our prelates have on their minds? It’s just one step closer to women priests.

Tomster
 
Schism, I always wondered what would happen if that would happen. Say the USCCB decided to “break” from rome? What if it did? I am sure that some bishops would stay with ROME but what about the ones who didn’t?

Example. If my diocese decided to break from rome and my parish went with the break…would rome allow the handful of people like me build a mission church here in town? If that were to happen the group that I pray with and study with have more than enough money to build a new church…a pretty one at that. Boy that would just frost the liberals in my parish.
 
T.A.Stobie_SFO said:
It will vary by diocese.
The magisterial-loyal bishops will follow completely, while some other may not.
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Exactly what I was going to say. Liberal bishop, doesn’t follow rules. Loyal bishop, rules get followed in his diocese.
 
kmknapp said:
Hi, Holly’s Mom!

Glad to clarify. As you probably know, being you are hanging out here, the Holy Eucharist is really the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus. That means every last drop and crumb is. So, following Communion, before any regular-type washing happens, the chalices and patens (plates for communion) are rinsed with water and that water drunk by the priest/deacon/acolyte to assure the elimination of any lingering drops/crumbs. That’s what is called the “ablution” or “purification”. Once that is done, then any normal-type washing is done, for cleanliness.

In the before-days, this ablution was done at the altar, before the post-communion prayer and dismissal; still is in some places. That plus 8 or 10 or 12 chalices for communing the congregation — most Catholic parishes in the USA are megachurches — does make for a delay. Which sometimes causes grief in mega-parishes with not-so-mega church buildings, therefore lots of Masses each Sunday, often every 90 minutes all morning and into the afternoon…

karen marie
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Thanks Karen Marie! We have something similar in the Orthodox church; I just never knew what it was called. I guess that there are some advantages to only being allowed to have one Liturgy per altar per day after all. 🙂 (Then again, I don’t know of too many Orthodox mega-churches . . .)
 
Here is what The Archdiocese plans to do.Check out The Closed Cafeteria Blog ,Gerald Augustinus has a post on it!
 
Nobody cares what HH says now. Especialy in North America. The Pope is turning into a mere figurehead.
 
Caesar said:
Nobody cares what HH says now. Especialy in North America. The Pope is turning into a mere figurehead.
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Exactly, afterall, what would become of collegiality if the pope actually started exerting authority?:hmmm:
 
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