Will Protestantism divide until it fails ultimately?

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Nicea325 said:
Originally Posted by Prosmith
False premise and the above is a Protestant mindset,not a Catholic one. And individual’s opinion and different beliefs from ratified CC doctrine or dogma has no iota of bearing on doctrinal Truth. Either God guides His Church with absolute Truth or He simply is pulling everyone’s leg.
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Then you are dismissing a particular Protestant church’s doctrine as liquid and unsustaining which is wrongfully applied to all Protestants. Again this really showcases the lack of knowledge of Protestantism by many Catholics.
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Prosmith said:
Then you are dismissing a particular Protestant church’s doctrine as liquid and unsustaining which is wrongfully applied to all Protestants. Again this really showcases the lack of knowledge of Protestantism by many Catholics.
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Key words: particular Protestant church. It also displays your own lack of knowledge about Protestanism because it can also vary a lot between churches.
 
Nicea325 said:
Key words: particular Protestant church. It also displays your own lack of knowledge about Protestanism because it can also vary a lot between churches.
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Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
 
Prosmith said:
Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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Okay,but how does that change the fact they continue to split? I never knew Jesus or the 12 supported divisions?
 
Prosmith said:
Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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In your opinion, does it even matter which church a person belongs to?
 
Prosmith said:
Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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Grouping all individuals in Protestantism seems to be a issue which relates specifically to the general statements by many. Look at how many members here mark there belief as simply “Christian”. And sure “Christians” fall into this trap, or is this realm of thinking reserved for Catholic’s only?

I’ve seen individuals so rude here that when asked what specific aspect of Christianity they followed they responded; “None of your business”. Truth is this is a “two-way” street and your painting with a very broad brush to assume all view Protestants this way.

The path of many is to arrive here, as so many do with a non-negotiable conceived perception of Catholicism and simply to be verbally abusive to the faith of Catholics.

Is your faith open to disussion and the possibility of change do to charitable dialogue?

Regardless of “if” the OP is lacking in description, to be polite, we still need to recognize this and proceed with charity.

So then since it would appear from your view Anglican’s have a much better understanding of Protestants, which “specific” area would you care to discuss, Since the reality is however badly worded, the OP is about “Protestants” not what Catholic’s think in your world view.

And btw when you say “most” then this does not mean all.

Lets us move past this mindset in charity.
 
Prosmith said:
Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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Uh, all CHRISTIANS believe that. Doesn’t mean there aren’t significant doctrinal divisions. Try again.
 
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Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine. can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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Then logically it does not follow. If you are claiming the above faiths believe salvation by grace through faith in Christ,then why the divisions? If such a core doctrine cannot keep them united as one;then apparently it is more than mere conduct and behavioral issues keeping them apart.
 
Prosmith said:
Most splits are due to conduct issues or behavior and not doctrine.

Which has roots in doctrine and what is taught, correct? If they were all teaching the same thing…then all should act the same and have the same behavior…yes or no?
can you show me any Baptist whether Freewill or Southern or American or Missionary or whatever the number of splits that doesn’t believe in Salvation by grace through faith in Christ?
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Nicea325 said:
Okay,but how does that change the fact they continue to split? I never knew Jesus or the 12 supported divisions?
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We just talked about what exactly the splits are. There are not thousands of differing doctrines as it has been suggested that there are thousands of different denominations. Splits are based upon lots of criteria. In the Roman church alone we have the Jesuits and the Eastern Rite, Latin Rite, Opus Dei. Why not everyone as one??
 
Prosmith said:
In the Roman church alone we have the Jesuits and the Eastern Rite, Latin Rite, Opus Dei. Why not everyone as one??
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23 Rites, all in communion with the Bishop Of Rome. I tried to use that one as former non-catholic but…apples and oranges…🙂
 
joe370 said:
Could you elaborate as to why it matters? 👍
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I’m Anglican and if you read the 39 Articles of Religion, they do a complete job of explaining why it is important. That is not to say that I believe the Anglican Communion to be an institution standing to be the one and only Church.
 
Prosmith said:
I’m Anglican and if you read the 39 Articles of Religion, they do a complete job of explaining why it is important. That is not to say that I believe the Anglican Communion to be an institution standing to be the one and only Church.
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Is it safe to say that you believe the one church to which the apostles belonged no longer exists?
 
JonNC said:
Certainly not all, but I think there may be a certain number with the mindset similar to mine, that such a unity could only be a sign of the Holy Spirit moving within his Church Militant, a sign that I personally could not ignore or resist.

Jon
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If the Papacy would undertake a serious discussion withe conserative Lutherans on the Lutheran Confessions maybe some progress could be made. I truly believe it doesn’t pay to talk to the liberal Lutheran World Federation because they would never give up woman and homosexual ordination.
 
hn160 said:
If the Papacy would undertake a serious discussion withe conserative Lutherans on the Lutheran Confessions maybe some progress could be made. I truly believe it doesn’t pay to talk to the liberal Lutheran World Federation because they would never give up woman and homosexual ordination.
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Precisely. I’ve been saying for a while that we - the LCMS - and not the LWF is best positioned for truly ecumenical dialogue. While we may criticize accross the Tiber that Rome could dialogue better, the fact is that equal parts (maybe more) of criticism should be directed at St. Louis.

Jon
 
Prosmith said:
We just talked about what exactly the splits are. There are not thousands of differing doctrines as it has been suggested that there are thousands of different denominations. Splits are based upon lots of criteria. In the Roman church alone we have the Jesuits and the Eastern Rite, Latin Rite, Opus Dei. Why not everyone as one??
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Those are not the only reasons why they split. And if they are agree on salvation,then why split at all? You are dead wrong about the Catholic Church. Apparently you do not have the knowledge about Catholicism as to what constitutes a split. Eastern rites,Latin Rite and Jesuits and all other orders are NOT splits,divisions,factions or schims. All the above are in union with the Bishop of Rome. Sorry,but that argument is false and poorly presented by Protestants.It is just another means to justify the never ending splits in Protestant circles.
 
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