No, I am not. Are you denying that Protestants practice baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?
Well, I didn’t make the original statement saying that Protestants are outside of the community of faith if they remain Protestants, Genesis315 did. So you will need him to clarify what his criterion is for salvation. But based on his statement, his criterion is something other than believing in Christ and confessing him as Lord. He has made an addition to the scriptural criterion for justification, which the scriptures do not support. My point was not to enumerate the additions that he has made since I don’t feel the need to speak for him, only to show that he is making additions.
Heresy is a loaded word my friend. You keep throwing it around, but you have not demonstrated through scripture the specific heresy you are speaking about. I could argue that the Catholic Church departed from the apostolic faith in some important areas, and it was the reformers that returned its attention back to the faith of our fathers. So instead of throwing around an unfounded accusation, feel free to define what you mean by heresy and from what scriptures you derive said heresy. So far, I haven’t seen you do so. Also, you fail to understand that there is a difference between heresy and heterodoxy. Please distinguish between the two and cite examples in your answers.
The Biblical definition of justification according to Paul is that we are justified by faith apart from works (Romans 3:21-28). You are conflating justification and sanctification, a common misconception. Also, Protestants believe in and practice confession and communion. So this is a false dichotomy.
True, but when you follow the line of logic between Romans 1 and 10, you will see that Paul is addressing Gentiles and Jews from the standpoint of who they were before faith in Christ (both condemned according to the law - Romans 1 - 3:20), then talks about who they are through faith in Christ (Romans 3:21 to Romans 6); and how they live out this new life in Christ (Romans 7 and forward). However, Chapters 7-10 present how we respond to grace through faith, not how we come to justification which is the topic of this thread. So, no, my comments were not out of context unless you can demonstrate otherwise through scripture.
Who says it has to be in the Bible?
which Paul also stated in Colossians 2 12
. It is obvious that he considers baptism to be first. When you say that the scripture you use shows how one is justified, this shows that it is out of context. Paul is telling us that we first die with Jesus through baptism. This is in Romans before he speaks of acknowledging Jesus as Lord. I am not saying we don’t have to do this I just say that he says more than just that. Than there is Peter at Pentecost who is asked what to do and he answers
You don’t seem him saying accept Jesus into you heart no it repent and be baptized.
He says that baptism save us now. It is the way that we are justified.
The great commission was 1
The way that we are made disciples is baptism.
Yeah. My faith is the catholic (small c) faith. I have never claimed otherwise. This has not one iota to do with my response by the way. I am pointing you to the catholic faith as communicated by the apostles to the Church in their writings.
I didn’t say it has to be, the point is, referencing the passage in Romans 10 (which you obviously didn’t look up) is that your explanation contradicts the Bible and the apostolic teaching of the faith.
The bible does not interpret itself or give meaning to itself. The bible is not self referential…Fauken:
They certainly can and will. If you read through Romans 1-3, you will see that both the Gentiles who were ignorant of the law, and the Jews who had the law were both alike condemned under the law (see Romans 2:12 - but read the line of logic leading up to there to get the reference in context). Then proceed to Romans 3:21-28 where we are justified through faith in Christ.
The idea that those who have not heard the gospel are not responsible for their sin is no where in the Bible. In fact, Romans 10, the same place that provides the means by which we are saved that I mentioned above, also urges believers to be about the business of proclaiming the gospel for just that concern, that those who don’t hear the gospel cannot believe and cannot be saved. Again, this is basic Christian doctrine.