Will someone please explain to me the "Mormon underwear" thing??

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This is not exactly true. The book of mormon is filled with references about temples. For example in Jacob 1:17 Jacob is teaching in the temple. In Jacob 2: 2, 11 the lord commanded jacob to declare word in temple.

There are many other references to the temple in the book of mormon. Go to page 747 in the index of the book of mormon and look them up.

17 Wherefore I, Jacob, gave unto them these words as I taught them in the temple, having first obtained mine errand from the Lord

This is just one example.
Book of Mormon says they had a temple, but it never says anything about what they did there, except go there to hear sermons. That’s not what Jewish temples were for.

It also names none of the feast days, new moon festivals, sabbath days, jubilee years or any of the other events central to Jewish life in OT times.

It doesn’t even mention the passover, for cryin’ out loud!

It’s almost as if the writers weren’t even Jewish! 😉

Paul
 
:whistle: So I went on-line and researched what exactly happens during a ceremony and every site I went to said they still do the “slit throat” thing and the “handshake” thing, and that they had to promise never to tell anyone who is not in good standing w/ their church anything at all pertaining to their temple business. Of course everything I read was written by ex-mormons, but they didn’t seem hostile about it, just matter-of-fact.
They no longer do the throat slitting, etc. They do still use the handgrips. The throat slitting and other imitations of ways to be killed were removed in 1990 when the temple ceremony underwent major changes.
 
I think Beachcomber was talking more about the temple doctrines. I find the links few and far between, especially where it concerns similarities between LDS temple rites and elements of Masonry.
I know what the poster meant. If you think about it, if JS wrote the book he would have included temple ceremonies. Instead what we do have are references to the temple. This is interesting. Also, it needs to be remembered that Mormon one of the book of mormon prophets edited the record, leaving out much of the history of the book of mormon peoples. He did include what he thought would be relevant for the people of the latter days.

I have demonstrated why the mormon temple ceremony may resemble some aspect of free masonary either on this thread or a different thread.

fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2005_Latter-day_Saints_and_Freemasonry.html

fairlds.org/Misc/Similarities_between_Masonic_and_Mormon_Temple_Ritual.html

Also if you go to mormonstories.org and put in greg kearney into the search you may find his interview with John Dehlin about mormons and freemasonary. It is very enlightening.

Here it is:

mormonstories.org/index.php?s=greg+kearney
 
If you think about it, if JS wrote the book he would have included temple ceremonies.
This doesn’t necessarily follow. The ceremonies require complete silence on the subject of what goes on inside the temple. Why, then, would any book reveal such details, especially if it is being presented as a book written by ancient natives to be revealed in a modern society - targeted to ALL people. If the rites are to be secret (as well as sacred), it doesn’t follow that they would be so easily revealed, especially when the author(s) of the text state so often that they are not allowed to reveal further details of events in certain circumstances.
Instead what we do have are references to the temple. This is interesting.
Indeed. I agree, and it is duly noted, but why do the references to the temple not match up to those of the bible during the same time periods?
Also, it needs to be remembered that Mormon one of the book of mormon prophets edited the record, leaving out much of the history of the book of mormon peoples. He did include what he thought would be relevant for the people of the latter days.
Debatable whether or not Mormon was a real person, so the point is moot.
 
No, they are NO comparison to priestly vestments whatsoever. Temple-worthy Mormon members (male and female) are to wear garments ALL THE TIME, not just during temple rituals.
Why is this a problem? Pious Roman Catholics wear medals and scapulars on a daily basis.
They believe that they have some “magical” powers, which is why sometimes you’ll see garments referred to as “magical underwear” by non-Mormons.
The LDS Church believes that temple garments are signs of a covenant that they make with God in his holy temple. There is no “magic” involved. Any grace that comes from wearing the temple garments is the grace that is gained from trying to fulfill the ordinances of the Gospel, of which the garments are believed to be a symbol of. Anti-Catholics call your medals and scapulars “magic” and discount them. Just as you respect your own definition of sacramentals, please respect the interpretation the LDS Church gives to the temple garments.
My in-laws were in a rather significant car accident a few years ago. They ended up in the hospital for several days. Of course they attributed their survival to their garments.:rolleyes: I had to argue, yeah–but you still got severely injured, so they didn’t really protect you much, did they? They think if they hadn’t been wearing them at all, they both would have been dead for sure.

Whatever.:banghead:
I’ve heard Roman Catholics say similar things of their sacramentals and intercessions of the saints. If you want to be consistent, bang your head about that also. If not, please refrain from this false calumny of the LDS Church.

God bless,

Adam
 
Book of Mormon says they had a temple, but it never says anything about what they did there, except go there to hear sermons. That’s not what Jewish temples were for.

It also names none of the feast days, new moon festivals, sabbath days, jubilee years or any of the other events central to Jewish life in OT times.

It doesn’t even mention the passover, for cryin’ out loud!

It’s almost as if the writers weren’t even Jewish! 😉

Paul
To be fair, 3rd Nephi 9:19 has Christ telling the Lamanites and Nephites that their sacrifices and burnt offerings will be done away with. This seems to confirm that these were already occurring in the temples, alongside other activities. 😉

God bless,

Adam
 
To be fair, 3rd Nephi 9:19 has Christ telling the Lamanites and Nephites that their sacrifices and burnt offerings will be done away with. This seems to confirm that these were already occurring in the temples, alongside other activities. 😉

God bless,

Adam
That comes out of Psalms (50:16-21 Douay-Rheims)
 
I find it interesting that you can look through every single book of Mormon miracle, and they exactly corrospond to the miracles in the bible, but they are usually expanded versions of those miracles.
 
This doesn’t necessarily follow. The ceremonies require complete silence on the subject of what goes on inside the temple. Why, then, would any book reveal such details, especially if it is being presented as a book written by ancient natives to be revealed in a modern society - targeted to ALL people. If the rites are to be secret (as well as sacred), it doesn’t follow that they would be so easily revealed, especially when the author(s) of the text state so often that they are not allowed to reveal further details of events in certain circumstances.

Indeed. I agree, and it is duly noted, but why do the references to the temple not match up to those of the bible during the same time periods?
As one poster mentioned Christ does mention what exactly went on in the temple in vague terms. Plus, the temple worship as stated by christ was occuring during old testament times.

I believe that you could have answered your own question about the general silence of temple worship in the lds temple and the lack of mention of it in the book of mormon.

Did you listen to the mormonstories interview with greg kearney?
 
I find it interesting that you can look through every single book of Mormon miracle, and they exactly corrospond to the miracles in the bible, but they are usually expanded versions of those miracles.
What is so unusual about that? Miracles are miracles. If such miracles would have been radically different, critics would point to the difference and claim falsehood. However I am not sure if you are correct in your statement but I will take your word for it.
 
As one poster mentioned Christ does mention what exactly went on in the temple in vague terms. Plus, the temple worship as stated by christ was occuring during old testament times.

I believe that you could have answered your own question about the general silence of temple worship in the lds temple and the lack of mention of it in the book of mormon.

Did you listen to the mormonstories interview with greg kearney?
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Ancient Samaritan Passover Ceremony Pt I, w/Ron Cantrell
youtube.com/watch?v=HWefPAMv1c8

Samaritan Pentateuch - On the return from the Exile, the Jews refused the Samaritans participation with them in the worship at Jerusalem, and the latter separated from all fellowship with them, and built a temple for themselves on Mount Gerizim. This temple was razed to the ground more than one hundred years B.C. Then a system of worship was instituted similar to that of the temple at Jerusalem. It was founded on the Law, copies of which had been multiplied in Israel as well as in Judah. Thus the Pentateuch was preserved among the Samaritans, although they never called it by this name, but always “the Law,” which they read as one book. The division into five books, as we now have it, however, was adopted by the Samaritans, as it was by the Jews, in all their priests’ copies of “the Law,” for the sake of convenience. This was the only portion of the Old Testament which was accepted by the Samaritans as of divine authority.

The form of the letters in the manuscript copies of the Samaritan Pentateuch is different from that of the Hebrew copies, and is probably the same as that which was in general use before the Captivity. There are other peculiarities in the writing which need not here be specified.

There are important differences between the Hebrew and the Samaritan copies of the Pentateuch in the readings of many sentences. In about two thousand instances in which the Samaritan and the Jewish texts differ, the LXX. agrees with the former. The New Testament also, when quoting from the Old Testament, agrees as a rule with the Samaritan text, where that differs from the Jewish. Thus Ex. 12:40 in the Samaritan reads, “Now the sojourning of the children of Israel and of their fathers which they had dwelt in the land of Canaan and in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years” (comp. Gal. 3:17). It may be noted that the LXX. has the same reading of this text htmlbible.com/kjv30/easton/east3203.htm

Samaritans. While not frequently cited in New Testament texts, the Samaritans are a good example of division amongst the Jews of Jesus’ era. The parable of the “Good” Samaritan is often seen as highlighting the prejudice of the time which held that Samaritans were inherently “bad,” or at least inferior to the supposedly purer Jews of Judea.

Samaritans are the descendants of Jews (from the northern kingdom of Israel) who had been captured by the Assyrians in (722 BCE). For many, this biological factor alone was sufficient to make Samaritans less pure in the eyes of their fellow Jews. There were, however, religious disputes which intensified the rejection of Samaritans by Jews of the southern kingdom, Judea. The Samaritans did not acknowledge the preeminence of the Temple of Jerusalem, believing instead that the Scriptures proclaimed Mount Gerizim as God’s chosen place (the site of His covenant with Abraham, where Abraham brought his son to be sacrificed), and building their own temple there around the fourth century BCE. Additionally, they believed only in the Written Torah (Pentateuch), every word of which they believed to have been written by Moses himself, whom they revered even more than the Judeans did. This rejection of the Oral Tradition likened them to the Sadducees, but unlike the Sadducees, the Samaritans also believed in an afterlife. These religious differences put them at odds with most other groups of Jews, and combined with their mixed heritage, resulted in their portrayal as an inherently lower order of Jew. academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/dfg/jesu/topic2.htm
 
As one poster mentioned Christ does mention what exactly went on in the temple in vague terms. Plus, the temple worship as stated by christ was occuring during old testament times.

I believe that you could have answered your own question about the general silence of temple worship in the lds temple and the lack of mention of it in the book of mormon.

Did you listen to the mormonstories interview with greg kearney?
No, I haven’t listened to the interview yet. This forum isn’t my entire life. I can’t follow every thread I’ve been involved in, and I certainly can’t always keep up with everything posted in some of the threads I DO follow.

I think I did a fairly good job of answering my question about the silence on the temple. Joseph undoubted was quite an intelligent person - either an inspired leader or an genius trickster. My own opinion is that he did have some sort of vision(s), which caused him to feel that he was a prophet. From there, it seems he wrote a book, whether by translation or not is hard to say. It’s hard to be certain whether there was paranormal involvement, or whether or not he was entirely sane. I try to avoid making judgment on Joseph Smith, Jr. Though I certainly disagree with many of the things he did, and though many of his claims don’t quite fit with my idea of how God works, it’s not that difficult for me to imagine myself being in the wrong on this matter.

Simply put, I don’t know all the answers, and I sincerely doubt if anyone does, though many seem to feel that they do. All I can really do is provide my opinion and back it up with whatever evidence I find. In most cases, my opinion is based on evidence. Perhaps that is a weakness of mine, and I believe I’ve mentioned it before. Maybe I just have weak faith, but that is no serious sin as far as I can tell.
 
And yet, during the good old days women needed to have their head covered when they attended mass or went inside the church. But with Vatican 2 this changed and the church has suffered ever since as sunday worship can resemble a day at the beach.
In Korea, we still cover our heads with veils at church.
 
This is not exactly true. The book of mormon is filled with references about temples. For example in Jacob 1:17 Jacob is teaching in the temple. In Jacob 2: 2, 11 the lord commanded jacob to declare word in temple.

There are many other references to the temple in the book of mormon. Go to page 747 in the index of the book of mormon and look them up.

17 Wherefore I, Jacob, gave unto them these words as I taught them in the temple, having first obtained mine errand from the Lord

This is just one example.
I’m confused. Is this the patriarch Jacob? Because there was no Jewish temple during the time of Jacob.
 
In Korea, we still cover our heads with veils at church.
The American women catholics should follow the Korean example. I can’t see catholics complaining about ‘garments’ that may remind lds members of the covenants they made. They also seem to put a certain modest fashion to clothing styles that can be worn over them. It is important that men and women dress modestly especially catholic women who attend Mass. The priests need to concentrate on the Mass and on the female body.

It reminds me of a woman who regularly attends Mass. She always sits infront of me. She has tight jeans and a sleeveless top on. Hard to keep my eyes focused. 😊

At the lds chapel, I have no problem. 🙂
 
The American women catholics should follow the Korean example. I can’t see catholics complaining about ‘garments’ that may remind lds members of the covenants they made. They also seem to put a certain modest fashion to clothing styles that can be worn over them. It is important that men and women dress modestly especially catholic women who attend Mass. The priests need to concentrate on the Mass and on the female body.

It reminds me of a woman who regularly attends Mass. She always sits infront of me. She has tight jeans and a sleeveless top on. Hard to keep my eyes focused. 😊

At the lds chapel, I have no problem. 🙂
You should definitely come to Korea. In Korea, women rarely wear sleeveless shirts or short skirts or anything like that. Men don’t wear shorts or go shirtless. Even on the beach, people dress very modestly. Of course, at the beach, that’s also because they don’t want a sun tan, since darker skin is considered unattractive.
 
The American women catholics should follow the Korean example. I can’t see catholics complaining about ‘garments’ that may remind lds members of the covenants they made. They also seem to put a certain modest fashion to clothing styles that can be worn over them. It is important that men and women dress modestly especially catholic women who attend Mass. The priests need to concentrate on the Mass and on the female body.

It reminds me of a woman who regularly attends Mass. She always sits infront of me. She has tight jeans and a sleeveless top on. Hard to keep my eyes focused. 😊

At the lds chapel, I have no problem. 🙂
I recommend you sit in a different pew if you find yourself visually distracted.

I am not sure what you mean by the priest concentrating on the female body…

Sincerely,

Maria1212
 
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