Will the Virgin Mary, Elijah and Enoch have glorified bodies at the Second Coming?

[Robert_Sock]

They are said to have gone to Heaven body and soul which suggest that Heaven is a physical place which is mind boggling. It would also seem that they would be deprived if they did not somehow get glorified bodies at the Second Coming of Christ. How does the Church explain this enigma?

 

[1ke]

They are said to have gone to Heaven body and soul

The Church teaches Mary was assumed into Heaven body and soul. And of course Jesus ascended on his own power, with his glorified body.

The Church does not definitively teach anything about Elijah or Enoch. From St. John Chrystosom:

*But many ask whither Enoch was translated, and why he was translated, and why he did not die, neither he nor Elijah, and, if they are still alive, how they live, and in what form. But to ask these things is superfluous. For that the one was translated, and that the other was taken up, the Scriptures have said; but where they are, and how they are, they have not added: For they say nothing more than is necessary. For this indeed took place, I mean his translation, immediately at the beginning, the human soul [thereby] receiving a hope of the destruction of death, and of the overthrow of the devil’s tyranny, and that death will be done away; for he was translated, not dead, but “that he should not see death. *

which suggest that Heaven is a physical place which is mind boggling.

Maybe. We know glorified bodies are different. We don’t know anything else.

It would also seem that they would be deprived if they did not somehow get glorified bodies at the Second Coming of Christ. How does the Church explain this enigma?

You seem to be implying Mary doesn’t have a glorified body now (putting aside Elijah and Enoch, who we do not know anything about).

w2.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-xii_apc_19501101_munificentissimus-deus.html

1. Now God has willed that the Blessed Virgin Mary should be exempted from this general rule. She, by an entirely unique privilege, completely overcame sin by her Immaculate Conception, and as a result she was not subject to the law of remaining in the corruption of the grave, and she did not have to wait until the end of time for the redemption of her body.

 

[USMC_Convert]

About the mind boggling part, remember how Jesus in His glorified body was able to go through locked doors? So the glorified body is not bound by physical limitations.

Also remember during the transfiguration when heaven came down and met earth and Jesus was seen speaking with Moses and Elijah?

But finally remember Christ’s words when He said, for you this is impossible but for God nothing is impossible.

So why is it mind boggling?

 

[Tis_Bearself]

Based on the Gospel story of Elijah appearing along with Moses and speaking with Jesus on the mountain at the Transfiguration, how is it possible for someone to argue that we don’t know if Elijah is still alive? He was obviously alive in some form, presumably one with a recognizable body, if he appeared and had a talk with Jesus in front of three Apostles in such a way that the Apostles recognized who he was.

 

[1ke]

Based on the Gospel story of Elijah appearing along with Moses and speaking with Jesus on the mountain at the Transfiguration, how is it possible for someone to argue that we don’t know if Elijah is still alive? He was obviously alive in some form, presumably one with a recognizable body, if he appeared and had a talk with Jesus in front of three Apostles in such a way that the Apostles recognized who he was.

For that the one was translated, and that the other was taken up, the Scriptures have said; but where they are, and how they are, they have not added – St. John Chrystosom.

We cannot say more than what the Scriptures and the Church say. And they say nothing beyond what St. Chrystosom says. The account of the Transfiguration does not change that fact. We really don’t know beyond what Scripture says about Enoch, Elijah, and Moses.

Many saints have appeared to the faithful over the years, manifesting a physical form, and yet we do not have any reason to believe they have been assumed bodily into heaven.

When it comes to other than Mary and Jesus, we simply don’t know.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

They are said to have gone to Heaven body and soul which suggest that Heaven is a physical place which is mind boggling. It would also seem that they would be deprived if they did not somehow get glorified bodies at the Second Coming of Christ. How does the Church explain this enigma?

You mean a bodily place, which is different from a physical place.

You also have to define what you mean by “physical”.
Do you mean the post Enlightenment definition (“science”) or that of pre enlightenment which is where the Church’s understanding comes from?

Elijah and Enoch are not bodily alive - unlike Jesus and Mary.

 

[Blue_Horizon]

They are said to have gone to Heaven body and soul which suggest that Heaven is a physical place which is mind boggling. It would also seem that they would be deprived if they did not somehow get glorified bodies at the Second Coming of Christ. How does the Church explain this enigma?

You mean a bodily place, which is different from a physical place.

You also have to define what you mean by “physical”.
Do you mean the post Enlightenment definition (“science”) or that of pre enlightenment which is where the Church’s understanding comes from?

Elijah and Enoch are not bodily alive - unlike Jesus and Mary.

 

[Nelka]

Enoch and Elijah will return to teach against the antichrist.