Will the west come under Islamic Sharia Law

[LDNCatholic]

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Am I the only person that wants to kill that thing?

 

[Kaninchen]

Am I the only person that wants to kill that thing?

I did enjoy the Meerkat-Mongoose War the first couple of times.

 

[Alcrusader]

Glad you’re back! I feel like I’m preaching to the choir as they say, so I think I’ll say goodbye for a while! Hope you have better luck getting the point across!

Vickie

well thank you
I faced 2 charges of “bigotry” and “generalization” for talking in subjects that are related to Islam in more than one post, and faced somehow a partial-bans for more than 2 days for doing that… I don’t know why when someone try to alarm and warn the others of the coming threat and say the truth they see him as racist and bigot… They even forbidden any kind of topic regarding Islam…

I don’t know how much those people are willing to accept the real reality, and I pray to the Lord that one day the truth would come out and everyone would see it…

Hope my luck would be better in the future… Goodbye!

 

[KathleenGee]

Well…now…yes, let England be concerned about their own…we have ours…and I am going to the Adriatic…hmmm…

 

[John_Paul_Jones]

For me until I see a church and a Jewish temple built in Saudi Arabia, I can’t consider that Islam is a tolerant religion, so frankly and honestly speaking.
** I’m not speaking about the people nor generalizing **

What you said reminded me of something Newt Gingrich said,
Newt Gingrich:

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.

The proposed “Cordoba House” overlooking the World Trade Center site – where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites. For example, most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately insulting term. It refers to Cordoba, Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque complex.

Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to “symbolize interfaith cooperation” when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest. It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.

Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for “religious toleration” are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca.

And they lecture us about tolerance.

If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom. They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign.

We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history.

Finally where is the money coming from? The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources.

America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could.

Newt Gingrich:

One of our biggest mistakes in the aftermath of 9/11 was naming our response to the attacks “the war on terror” instead of accurately identifying radical Islamists (and the underlying ideology of radical Islamism) as the target of our campaign. This mistake has led to endless confusion about the nature of the ideological and material threat facing the civilized world and the scale of the response that is appropriate.

Radical Islamism is more than simply a religious belief. It is a comprehensive political, economic, and religious movement that seeks to impose sharia—Islamic law—upon all aspects of global society.

Many Muslims see sharia as simply a reference point for their personal code of conduct. They recognize the distinction between their personal beliefs and the laws that govern all people of all faiths.

For the radical Islamist, however, this distinction does not exist. Radical Islamists see politics and religion as inseparable in a way it is difficult for Americans to understand. Radical Islamists assert sharia’s supremacy over the freely legislated laws and values of the countries they live in and see it as their sacred duty to achieve this totalitarian supremacy in practice.

Some radical Islamists use terrorism as a tactic to impose sharia but others use non-violent methods—a cultural, political, and legal jihad that seeks the same totalitarian goal even while claiming to repudiate violence. Thus, the term “war on terrorism” is far too narrow a framework in which to think about the war in which we are engaged against the radical Islamists.

 

[KathleenGee]

People are upset that the militants who are posing as moderates have no dialogue addressing the fact that we would not have the same rights. And that Sharia itself is in need of reform. A Muslim scholar said there is alot of work needed in reform within Islam, and he implied this work is in the making.

There are Muslim Americans and then there are the activists who are divisive.

 

[ali03]

A good book to read on how islam destroys cultures is ‘The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam: From Jihad to Dhimmitude : Seventh-Twentieth Century’.

It also goes into how the political AND religious leaders sell their people out for money, power, fear, etc. I am only 1/4th of the way through the book so I don’t know what all of it says yet.

Are we Christian not strong enough to fight this back. The Book does not mean nothing because they can have hundred books which show that Christianity is fake. Why dont we be stead fast to our religion stop doing things which are not in the Bible unless we think that the Bible is not a complete book as oppose to what Muslim says of their Quran.
Be honest about it! the Sharia law is after all not that bad. I got the impression that the Muslim is more Christian than us. Look at their dress code. Its just like Jesus, the priest and Mary. Why are we not like them? If a person torture yr child to death, will you not prefer a sharia law than any other law to judge the person? Life imprisonment? or stone to death? Think about yr child before thinking about punishment.
Have you ever ask yrself why is Islam spreading that fast? Is there anything in the Bible about a big religion like that? Sometimes I feel like God is not on our side or we are not doing what we were suppose to do for this to happen.
To be honest I can see it coming whether this hurts our feelings or not unless we find out what’s wrong about us? Does God not have the ultimate power to stop it?
Why dont we have just one Bible with no revised edition? God’s word has to be revised!!! So the person revising it should be greater than God!! I am so confused about ourself.
Please help me! I feel like i knw more in Islam than in Christianity and beleive me or not Islam is so influensive dont look at its people because we got bad people as well but read about it. To be Honest im in search of the truth coz i really dnt know if we are right anymore. I have so much doubt. I dnt understand the Trinity It looks like it does not make sense. I dont understand why Jesus has to go on the cross and said that his followers did help him to escape. Why would the Father do this to his son. If he as paid for our sin, are we entitle to sin because its already paid. Why does he has to pay in blood? There are a whole lot of questions that im not getting answers.
Please help me to bring back my faith.

 

[Matthew_Holford]

Both the Jewish Beth Din and Muslim Arbitration Tribunal systems are just ‘arbitration courts’ within the normal UK arbitration system - they’re civil courts, not criminal courts, they’re not compulsory (people in dispute can choose to use them if both sides wish), neither can they make decisions outside the UK framework of law.

Perhaps I have misread or misunderstood older posts than mine. But, the general impression that I formed was that thee was a general opposition to the use of Sharia Law. All I was trying to say was that the religious laws of Anglicans, Catholics, and Jews, etc. are used in the UK, USA, and other countries. Therefore, it is only right that we allow the Muslim faith the same rights. Obviously the constitutions and statutes of the UK, USA, etc. do not oblige anyone to use these courts. Of course no Catholic is obliged to use the Church’s Tribunals or at least they are not obliged by a state’s laws. However, the Beth Din and Muslim Arbitration Tribunal may oblige one if one wishes to observe the precepts of their faith just as a Catholic would use a Tribunal if they believed their marriage may be null and void. I would not suggest that the “courts” of any faith should become part of a state’s laws. For example, I would not want to see a return in the UK of the system where ALL marriages were considered to be a matter of ecclesiastical law where before the Reformation the Catholic Church dealt with marriage and after the Reformation the Church of England’s courts dealt with all marriages.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Are we Christian not strong enough to fight this back. The Book does not mean nothing because they can have hundred books which show that Christianity is fake. Why dont we be stead fast to our religion stop doing things which are not in the Bible unless we think that the Bible is not a complete book as oppose to what Muslim says of their Quran.
Be honest about it! the Sharia law is after all not that bad. I got the impression that the Muslim is more Christian than us. Look at their dress code. Its just like Jesus, the priest and Mary. Why are we not like them? If a person torture yr child to death, will you not prefer a sharia law than any other law to judge the person? Life imprisonment? or stone to death? Think about yr child before thinking about punishment.
Have you ever ask yrself why is Islam spreading that fast? Is there anything in the Bible about a big religion like that? Sometimes I feel like God is not on our side or we are not doing what we were suppose to do for this to happen.
To be honest I can see it coming whether this hurts our feelings or not unless we find out what’s wrong about us? Does God not have the ultimate power to stop it?
Why dont we have just one Bible with no revised edition? God’s word has to be revised!!! So the person revising it should be greater than God!! I am so confused about ourself.
Please help me! I feel like i knw more in Islam than in Christianity and beleive me or not Islam is so influensive dont look at its people because we got bad people as well but read about it. To be Honest im in search of the truth coz i really dnt know if we are right anymore. I have so much doubt. I dnt understand the Trinity It looks like it does not make sense. I dont understand why Jesus has to go on the cross and said that his followers did help him to escape. Why would the Father do this to his son. If he as paid for our sin, are we entitle to sin because its already paid. Why does he has to pay in blood? There are a whole lot of questions that im not getting answers.
Please help me to bring back my faith.

You’re blatantly a fake. You’re a Muslim pretending to be a Catholic and you’re coming on way too strong.

 

[Kaninchen]

Perhaps I have misread or misunderstood older posts than mine. But, the general impression that I formed was that thee was a general opposition to the use of Sharia Law. All I was trying to say was that the religious laws of Anglicans, Catholics, and Jews, etc. are used in the UK, USA, and other countries. Therefore, it is only right that we allow the Muslim faith the same rights. Obviously the constitutions and statutes of the UK, USA, etc. do not oblige anyone to use these courts. Of course no Catholic is obliged to use the Church’s Tribunals or at least they are not obliged by a state’s laws. However, the Beth Din and Muslim Arbitration Tribunal may oblige one if one wishes to observe the precepts of their faith just as a Catholic would use a Tribunal if they believed their marriage may be null and void. I would not suggest that the “courts” of any faith should become part of a state’s laws. For example, I would not want to see a return in the UK of the system where ALL marriages were considered to be a matter of ecclesiastical law where before the Reformation the Catholic Church dealt with marriage and after the Reformation the Church of England’s courts dealt with all marriages.

I should have said I was just amplifying what you were saying.

 

[dolphinlove]

Am I the only person that wants to kill that thing?

that and churchill… oh yessssss aaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh

 

[KathleenGee]

Jharek, I can see that you have your own issues of tolerance…

Sharia has inhumane aspects to it, and if people follow it to a ‘t’, …or to an ‘S’…they become hypercritical of other people and do not respect their own rights to autonomy. Totalitarian and inhumane…and it does not provide progress to Muslimkind. What we are seeing is the black economy of Big Oil.

What I am supporting outside the humanitarian and reciprocal American Muslims, referring to our country here, is the Muslim movement in the Middle East that is working to regain the use of reason. Through them and reciprocating Muslims, I do look forward to seeing a greater gift of profound daily devotion in Islam as a gift to the world.

I am seeing people here calling ‘bluff’ to those here who do not respect our dignity, align with terrorism, and have ulterior motives of future domination. And the more I see Muslims standing up to them, the more I have faith that Sharia will not win out…we are hearing many positive things in our country from the Muslims who do not reveal themselves to the radicals.

When the World Trade Center went down, people began reading the militant history of Islam. Shortly after, there were Muslim callers, well educated, who began revealing to us that they do not enjoy the freedom of speech the rest of us have in our own country to criticize…that if they speak out against these militants in their communities, they would certainly encounter reprisals, even death. I pray for these people.

I am having this time to voice my own grievances…I have a Muslim community 12 blocks from me…I experience moments where I desire to go in there to meet them, but I am still afraid and do not know where they are really coming from…some women are nice…but I would prefer to enter through the men…they are the deciding factor…some day I wish to dialogue with them…

Same with Hispanics…went to a picnic…these normally speak their own language in front of us…the Anglos weren’t there…They showed me the food. We began eating, and they began excluding me…I kept thinking…so I finally asked them,…a common problem, not a Hispanic problem…;How do you live out your faith in such a hectic culture?’ They were shocked. We began to talk and I left connected more to them than the others…So I do intend…with the Muslims…but in time…

 

[dolphinlove]

Are we Christian not strong enough to fight this back. The Book does not mean nothing because they can have hundred books which show that Christianity is fake. Why dont we be stead fast to our religion stop doing things which are not in the Bible unless we think that the Bible is not a complete book as oppose to what Muslim says of their Quran.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you reak of muslim in disguise.
I see your well versed in the number of books that claim Christianity is fake, do you know how many books are printed about islam been fake? I know of one prime book that shows islam is fake, its called the quran.
In the bible, it says
1 John: 1 My dear friends, not every spirit is to be trusted, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets are at large in the world.
2 This is the proof of the spirit of God: any spirit which acknowledges Jesus Christ, come in human nature, is from God,
3 and no spirit which fails to acknowledge Jesus is from God; it is the spirit of Antichrist, whose coming you have heard of; he is already at large in the world.

The ‘angel’ that came to muhammad denied Jesus is from God and died on the crossl. This very ‘angel’ also verbated the quran, not God himself.

Be honest about it! the Sharia law is after all not that bad. I got the impression that the Muslim is more Christian than us. Look at their dress code. Its just like Jesus, the priest and Mary. Why are we not like them? If a person torture yr child to death, will you not prefer a sharia law than any other law to judge the person? Life imprisonment? or stone to death? Think about yr child before thinking about punishment.

You are aware of the story of Jesus saving Mary Magdelene from stoning right? Because if you are, you realise Jesus taught us stoning is not the right course of action to take. He teaches us forgiveness and love, not vengence and retaliation.
So no, muslims are not more ‘Christian’ than us. We follow Gods true laws, muslims dont.

Have you ever ask yrself why is Islam spreading that fast? Is there anything in the Bible about a big religion like that? Sometimes I feel like God is not on our side or we are not doing what we were suppose to do for this to happen.
To be honest I can see it coming whether this hurts our feelings or not unless we find out what’s wrong about us? Does God not have the ultimate power to stop it?

Are you questioning Gods ability? Just because people are duped into a false religion and cant see it for what it is, they obviously need to be better educated on what is real and what is not. I still dont think islam is the fastest growing religion, it may be in terms of birth, but not conversion.

Why dont we have just one Bible with no revised edition? God’s word has to be revised!!! So the person revising it should be greater than God!! I am so confused about ourself.
Please help me! I feel like i knw more in Islam than in Christianity and beleive me or not Islam is so influensive dont look at its people because we got bad people as well but read about it. To be Honest im in search of the truth coz i really dnt know if we are right anymore. I have so much doubt. I dnt understand the Trinity It looks like it does not make sense. I dont understand why Jesus has to go on the cross and said that his followers did help him to escape. Why would the Father do this to his son. If he as paid for our sin, are we entitle to sin because its already paid. Why does he has to pay in blood? There are a whole lot of questions that im not getting answers.
Please help me to bring back my faith.

If you are really Catholic, i would start up with signing up to rcia classes or go to your local churches study groups, they can help you with questions of faith that confuse you.

 

[Alcrusader]

What you said reminded me of something Newt Gingrich said,

I fully agree with him, and I think the many of you should too.

 

[Alcrusader]

Game over dude… Remove your mask, I’ve already dis-masked you from your 1st post.
You should be ashamed from your self for playing such childish games.

Are we Christian not strong enough to fight this back.

Should we suppose that you are Christian?
ok. Let’s do it.

The Book does not mean nothing because they can have hundred books which show that Christianity is fake.

waaaannngggg!!
Clearly our supposition seems wrong.

Why dont we be stead fast to our religion stop doing things which are not in the Bible unless we think that the Bible is not a complete book as oppose to what Muslim says of their Quran.

Are you claiming that the quran is a complete book? complete with what? 40% of the quran is about the sexual life of muhammad and his wives…The other 40 is about wars, loot and blood… and 20 about sharia. (If not mistaken)

Be honest about it!

hmm… I am honest.

the Sharia law is after all not that bad.

Sure. Sure.

I got the impression that the Muslim is more Christian than us.

Muslim is more Christian than… Who do you mean by “us”?
Who/ what are you?
Ahh… ok, your Muslim…!
Muslim is more Christian than Muslim.:whacky:
Ok, I see it now what you mean.:hypno:

Look at their dress code.

Are you serious?!
I think you are an Arab dude…

Its just like Jesus, the priest and Mary.

So Jesus used to dress like this?
and Mary like this?

Why are we not like them?

Hell yeah! Let’s all dress up like people did 3000 years back.
I’m now sure your and arab dude…

If a person torture yr child to death, will you not prefer a sharia law than any other law to judge the person? Life imprisonment? or stone to death? Think about yr child before thinking about punishment.

Jesus told us not to fight evil with evil, but fight evil with love and good, because the only Judger is Jesus and not us.
I suggest that you read Matthew chapters: 5, 6 , 7

Have you ever ask yrself why is Islam spreading that fast?

petrodollar + polygamy = logical.

Is there anything in the Bible about a big religion like that?

like that? What that?
Din’t you just considered that that the bible is “incomplete”?
How do you take an “incomplete” reference as a source?

Sometimes I feel like God is not on our side or we are not doing what we were suppose to do for this to happen.

Yeah. Continue feeling like that.
It’s maybe bcz ur on the wrong side…

To be honest I can see it coming whether this hurts our feelings or not unless we find out what’s wrong about us?

who “us” ? who " our"?
Can you please stop using “us” and “our”, and just say “I” and " my".

Does God not have the ultimate power to stop it?

Stop what? And why stop it?

Why dont we have just one Bible with no revised edition? God’s word has to be revised!!! So the person revising it should be greater than God!! I am so confused about ourself.

You just keep surprise me man.
You know that none has ever thought about it ! You are the 1st one !!! Bless you!

Please help me!

Help you? Pray to the Lord !

I feel like i knw more in Islam than in Christianity and beleive me or not Islam is so influensive dont look at its people because we got bad people as well but read about it.

Well you feel you know Islam more than Christianity… hmmm… because … you are a Muslim.

To be Honest im in search of the truth coz i really dnt know if we are right anymore.

Really man you should stop using the plural tense, and just say " I am Lost, and I’m searching for the truth".

I have so much doubt.

Keep over!

I dnt understand the Trinity It looks like it does not make sense.

Oh…

I dont understand why Jesus has to go on the cross and said that his followers did help him to escape.

Hmm… In Islam Jesus never visited the cross, just Allah helped him to run away from the angry people, and sent a innocent poor man instead of him…Isn’t Allah a cheater?

Why would the Father do this to his son.

hmm… Hard question.

If he as paid for our sin, are we entitle to sin because its already paid.

No.

Why does he has to pay in blood?

I think you should read more the bible to get that right.

There are a whole lot of questions that im not getting answers.

Go to Muslims’ forums.

Please help me to bring back my faith.

Help you?
Why asking us to help? Go ask the only true God !!

 

[LDNCatholic]

that and churchill… oh yessssss aaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh

How about the Go Compare guy?

 

[Matthew_Holford]

How about the Go Compare guy?

I thought this thread was a discussion about whether Islamic Sharia Law will ever come in to effect in the West, not about TV adverts.

 

[LDNCatholic]

I thought this thread was a discussion about whether Islamic Sharia Law will ever come in to effect in the West, not about TV adverts.

I see somebody likes Mr. Go Compare…

Fine.

No. The West will not be falling under Shar’iah Law any time soon.

The West is a big place, the idea that the entire continents of Europe and North and South America are about to instantly switch to an Islamic theocracy is ludicrous.

This is exactly the sort of nonsense peddled by the EDL, BNP, the Sun, the Daily Mail and other assorted idiots holed up in their trailers wearing tinfoil on their bonces.

 

[KathleenGee]

Jharek,

You are basically right…and we are always seeing reports of militants’ behavior in England…and don’t want that to happen. Several Christians took pictures of a Muslim convention in Michigan, and were promptly arrested and are going on trial. It is coming out that the Christian churches destroyed by 9/11 are being blocked by the seculars, and the mosque will now possibly be getting funding. We are seeing a type of immigrants coming now into our country that are punitive, stage events to cause litigation and more loss of taxpayer dollars…and the simple fact that this is the first time our country has been attacked…and sadisticly so…civilians against civilians.

What that in turn caused was people turning to study Islam. And what we first noted was the manner in which Islam has gained its prominence…which many posts here and on other threads have drawn on.

I have said, we are not against people building mosques. And since 9/11 it is a given fact that many Arabs are coming here in droves, there has been alot of hyped up charges of false claims of discrimination. There have also been American Muslims slowly, discreetly voicing their concerns…that resonate with ours that these militants are not to be believed.

I think any coming here to use the generosity of our country to exploit with the aims of eventual takeover should instead remain in their lands. And to use religion to abuse and create a second class of human beings is not only inhumane, but a blasphemy towards God.

For 40 years, Americans have been self-flagellating. But it is come to the point that we are seeing behavior that is uncivil, we are seeing ancient hatreds still unresolved, we are seeing anti-Semitism and general disrespect for our native people, that people are now at the breaking point.

I am tending to align with the Pakistani legal specialist that Sharia definitely has aspects to it that is barbaric. Sharia wants to have entire control of a person’s life. This denies the diversity of many people in this world that in turn keep people on their toes…

Just like on CAF, you see people all the time letting others know they have just had this God experience, it is right…while alot of other people have theirs and they are not the same. Everybody experiencing God, but in many ways that are not uniform. So what is happening in this? Tolerance…and walking in faith. One can adhere to one’s creed, but we have to live with one another and tolerate others’ differences.

But when it comes to annihilation of my faith and of my country, yes, I will defend it. It is addressed at those who lie, and not to law abiding Muslims. And Sharia is a belief system within Islam that is not good, is very flawed. I put my hope instead with those Muslims working to restore reason in their culture.

 

[Anita_K]

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AsSalum a alykum
Ali03,
Allah is all knowing All seeing and knows what we do.
It is said He guides and allows to be mis lead.

What thinkest you of being in this thread?

You have Goated the weak into response, encouraged those who best they know want to help and to what end?

No what if Allah was using people in this thread to constructively help people?

What would that shine on your doings, maybe it would be seen that you are on making mischief? If you were one of those then you would be not of the guided?

Is that what you want to be of the unguided?
What is there for the one who deliberately sets out to make mischief in the holy month?

I guess luck for you you are a Christian so are not subject to the same high standard of conduct, or does the Quran explain that Christians too can be in error.

Lest us be glad Allah is most merciful and forgives those who turn from evil ways.

Christians and Muslims let us seek to be rightly guided and glorify Allah.