will this satisfy your doubts about the eucharist?

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hugefeet said:
ummm sure, i am gonna click on some obscure url, yep yep
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sorry i forgot the details
the link will direct you to an article
about a documented eucharistic miracle that happened along time ago
you should check it out, it’s actually a good read
 
If it no longer resembles bread and wine, it’s no longer the Body and Blood of Christ.

What this reputed miracle means is that a piece of Christ’s Resurrected and glorified body is missing from heaven.

Does our faith teach us that ANY part of Christ is missing from heaven?
 
Just remember that the Jews saw the parting of the Red Sea and still worshiped a false god.

No matter what happens and no matter what miracle God provides, there will always be people who do not believe or decide to worship a false God. In Fatima, some 70,000 people witnessed a miracle and you will still find people saying it was any number of things from mass hallucination to a scientifically justified event but anything but a miracle. It is interesting how science doesn’t have to prove anything to say it was a “solar event” and not a miracle.

It is just like everything else they can’t fully explain but want us to believe without authentic proof similar to the origin of creation or that the fossils they claim are proof of Darwinian evolution are not just extinct monkey species. They will tell you all day long that it was the big bang and we are all from a single origin but they never have to prove where the big bang came from or where the origin we all came from began. For some reason we have to scientifically prove God to them but they don’t have to prove anything to us. Assumptions and faith in science is all they can rightfully claim. God may have created the universe out of nothing using what we might call the big bang and humans may have developed through evolution guided by God’s hand. We will probably never know. Only one truth comes out of science; it is always proven wrong at some point.

Don’t expect these people to buy into a miracle because they won’t do any research to deny it and they won’t believe any scientist that says it cannot be proven by science. You can already see the responses so far. There is no shortage in lack of faith among the people on this Earth. If it doesn’t fit in to their theology (and yes science today is a theology), it must not have happened in the way it is claimed. It is the miracle that is false, not their beliefs.

God Bless.
 
This is a thoughtful reflection on miracles and why they, by themselves, do not inspire us to faith. To anyone who was not present, it is easy to doubt the witnesses’ accounts. I often imagine what my reaction would be to seeing someone walking on water. I think my first reaction would be reach for my phone and start taking pictures. Just because someone walks on water does not make them holy.

This points out why Christ’s ministry, especially his Galilean ministry combined teaching and miracles. Just being a conjurer, makes you just tha, a conjurer. But combine this with majestic authoritative teaching, that is what Jesus our Lord did.

My doubts about the Eucharist (in the past) would not be relieved by this story. I believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist and that the consecration of the hosts unites the present celebration with all celebrations, past and future, especially with the sole Eucharist where Christ was the priest.
OchsFam said:
Just remember that the Jews saw the parting of the Red Sea and still worshiped a false god.

No matter what happens and no matter what miracle God provides, there will always be people who do not believe or decide to worship a false God. In Fatima, some 70,000 people witnessed a miracle and you will still find people saying it was any number of things from mass hallucination to a scientifically justified event but anything but a miracle. It is interesting how science doesn’t have to prove anything to say it was a “solar event” and not a miracle.

It is just like everything else they can’t fully explain but want us to believe without authentic proof similar to the origin of creation or that the fossils they claim are proof of Darwinian evolution are not just extinct monkey species. They will tell you all day long that it was the big bang and we are all from a single origin but they never have to prove where the big bang came from or where the origin we all came from began. For some reason we have to scientifically prove God to them but they don’t have to prove anything to us. Assumptions and faith in science is all they can rightfully claim. God may have created the universe out of nothing using what we might call the big bang and humans may have developed through evolution guided by God’s hand. We will probably never know. Only one truth comes out of science; it is always proven wrong at some point.

Don’t expect these people to buy into a miracle because they won’t do any research to deny it and they won’t believe any scientist that says it cannot be proven by science. You can already see the responses so far. There is no shortage in lack of faith among the people on this Earth. If it doesn’t fit in to their theology (and yes science today is a theology), it must not have happened in the way it is claimed. It is the miracle that is false, not their beliefs.

God Bless.
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Usbek_de_Perse said:
This is a thoughtful reflection on miracles and why they, by themselves, do not inspire us to faith. To anyone who was not present, it is easy to doubt the witnesses’ accounts. I often imagine what my reaction would be to seeing someone walking on water. I think my first reaction would be reach for my phone and start taking pictures. Just because someone walks on water does not make them holy.

This points out why Christ’s ministry, especially his Galilean ministry combined teaching and miracles. Just being a conjurer, makes you just tha, a conjurer. But combine this with majestic authoritative teaching, that is what Jesus our Lord did.

My doubts about the Eucharist (in the past) would not be relieved by this story. I believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist and that the consecration of the hosts unites the present celebration with all celebrations, past and future, especially with the sole Eucharist where Christ was the priest.
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This hits on another point in miracles that I did not mention. While they can be helpful, they are not required for belief. There are some who will come to believe in the Real Presence through this miracle while there are some who do not need it and yet others who will deny it. This is why miracles are not mandatory because God works in many ways and through many people to bring Himself into the lives of His people. Not all respond the same and so there are miracles, devotions, Saints, prayers, Priests, creation, the Bible, and the list goes on and on. Everything points to God and Jesus Christ’s work on the cross. The miracle is not the key, Christ is.

God Bless.
 
I’m confused here. If the Eucharist is the tangiable, real Body and Blood of Christ, then from where you’re coming from each consecrated Host is robbing from the physical Christ in heaven, isn’t it? The argument seems to say that Christ cannot be here and there at the same time? Why must it resemble bread in order to be Christ? Can’t Christ make the bread do whatever He wants visually?
bpbasilphx said:
If it no longer resembles bread and wine, it’s no longer the Body and Blood of Christ.

What this reputed miracle means is that a piece of Christ’s Resurrected and glorified body is missing from heaven.

Does our faith teach us that ANY part of Christ is missing from heaven?
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Don’t “wonders” like this one not contradict the Church’s teaching that transsubstantiation means the transformation of the substance (as a somewhat outdated philosophical term) and not of the matter.
If the matter actually is transformed it is not a transsubstantiation by definition.
Enlighten me.
 
AnAtheist said:
Don’t “wonders” like this one not contradict the Church’s teaching that transsubstantiation means the transformation of the substance (as a somewhat outdated philosophical term) and not of the matter.
If the matter actually is transformed it is not a transsubstantiation by definition.
Enlighten me.
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I don’t believe TranFORMation is the correct term. That would mean that the “form” had been changed. It isn’t the “form” that changes, the “form” stays the same. It is the “substance” that is changed into the body and blood, while the “form”, or appearance of bread and wine remain. That is why the term “transubstantiation” is used rather than “transformation”.
 
SteveVH said:
I don’t believe TranFORMation is the correct term. That would mean that the “form” had been changed. It isn’t the “form” that changes, the “form” stays the same. It is the “substance” that is changed into the body and blood, while the “form”, or appearance of bread and wine remain. That is why the term “transubstantiation” is used rather than “transformation”.
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Indeed. But in those wonders the form, the matter is changed not the substance (or not only the substance). So it is something different than the “usual” eucharist, why should it settle any doubts?
I think that’s a valid point regardless of believing in the eucharist or not.
 
AnAtheist said:
Indeed. But in those wonders the form, the matter is changed not the substance (or not only the substance). So it is something different than the “usual” eucharist, why should it settle any doubts?
I think that’s a valid point regardless of believing in the eucharist or not.
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As for Eucharistic miracles, yes God allows us to see the reality of the “substance” with our eyes, in the form or appearance. It should settle any doubts when one witnesses what appears to be bread and wine change into flesh and blood. There have been many Eucharistic miracles, which expose the reality of the Eucharist in various ways.
 
SteveVH said:
As for Eucharistic miracles, yes God allows us to see the reality of the “substance” with our eyes, in the form or appearance. It should settle any doubts when one witnesses what appears to be bread and wine change into flesh and blood. There have been many Eucharistic miracles, which expose the reality of the Eucharist in various ways.
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B+
 
larkin31 said:
Those don’t look like balls of coagulated blood under glass, but rather another result of body function.

Go ahead and believe this “miracle” if you want. I don’t.
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We have many many other Miracle in the Church you need to check them out
 
SteveVH said:
As for Eucharistic miracles, yes God allows us to see the reality of the “substance” with our eyes, in the form or appearance. It should settle any doubts when one witnesses what appears to be bread and wine change into flesh and blood. There have been many Eucharistic miracles, which expose the reality of the Eucharist in various ways.
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A+:)
 
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