Okay, I posed this question on another thread and I have had no responses so I’ll try it here.
Because those who spout" legal and rare" do everything possible to make sure it isnt rare. In fact they have vowed to keep unrestricted abortion on demand the law of the land.
It isn’t.Just political mumbo jumbo.Both sides are guilty.
Speaking of ProVobis, you didn’t respond to my response to YOU regarding the pro life response to someone from the dark side who turned toward the protection of life…even if a Democrat…thanks to Jeanne S who did apparently read it.
If true this is more typical of Keynesians whose goal is to spend until the recession is over.
It will probably be more than that. But the second sentence is a nonsequitor as the CBO projects it will actually reduce the debt.
True but don’t the “conservatives” tend in that direction as well? Didn’t any “conservative” governors accept federal funds to pay their teachers, etc. as those states were running into a lot of red ink?
Okay, but my goal isn’t socialism. I have more libertarian inklings; I didn’t read all those Ayn Rand and Harry Browne books for the heck of it. I still believe in a hard asset standard.
Some historians blame saving Germany as what led us to the Great Depression and causing massive unemployment here. Yes, it definitely left a huge scar.
The U.K. had no more capitalism than the U.S. I lived there during Churchill’s time.
So who doesn’t prefer freedom? As for Big Government, the Chinese representative in the movie “Too Big to Fail” said it best. “Sometimes the relationship between government and private industry is not so simple.”
Then good for us.
No we don’t. And we don’t need a Department of Health either. But let’s face it, where would we be without the Salk vaccine?
Pax et bonum quoque.
I provided evidence to support these claims the first time I made them (the claims being that Reagan’s foreign policy towards South America included genocide and that Mitt Romney is a profiteer of abortion). Unless you can disprove the evidence (ie official government documents, in both instances…) then I will stand by what I said. Estesbob tried to refute the fact that Romney is a profiteer of abortion with partisan conjecture, but the claims made are completely dismantled by the SEC documents with Romney’s signature on them. Abortion has made Romney an incredibly wealthier man, and he was already massively so.
Your claims are so ridiculous that they do not merit my spending any time responding. You are obviously convinced but not very convincing.
I’m not so sure about Ron Paul: he has at times given indications he is pro-life and at other times pro-choice with respect to states’ rights on abortion.
If I had known he was a Ron Paul fanatic I wouldnt have wasted my time with him either.
I’m not a Ron Paul ‘fanatic,’ I was just giving an example of an alternative candidate who runs on a pro-life basis. I’ve been met with such aggression, assertions have been thrown at me left and right, and yet all I am trying to do is foster a discussion. I haven’t called anybody names, I haven’t questioned anybody’s intention or intellect, the only time I made an assertion was in regards to people voting Republican as being duped, something that I stand by as nobody has made a plausible argument to show that voting Republican actually does anything to curb abortion rates. And when I ask for some proof, you say “ah whatever, you’re just crazy and not worth my time.” I wonder if Christ would have handled someone who disagreed with him in a similar fashion
You’re new so a word of advice. On this Forum, you disagree with conservative Republicans at your own risk, particularly if you’re from NYC!I’m not a Ron Paul ‘fanatic,’ I was just giving an example of an alternative candidate who runs on a pro-life basis. I’ve been met with such aggression, assertions have been thrown at me left and right, and yet all I am trying to do is foster a discussion. I haven’t called anybody names, I haven’t questioned anybody’s intention or intellect, the only time I made an assertion was in regards to people voting Republican as being duped, something that I stand by as nobody has made a plausible argument to show that voting Republican actually does anything to curb abortion rates. And when I ask for some proof, you say “ah whatever, you’re just crazy and not worth my time.” I wonder if Christ would have handled someone who disagreed with him in a similar fashion
Or from any high-density area, for that matter.
It’s not so much disagreement with Republicans as disagreement with Catholic teaching such as life issues. Those who do, as Archbishop Chaput noted, the kind of mental gymnastics it takes to support the Abortion Advocate Obama, are not disagreeing with Republicans but disagreeing with Catholic teaching.
Which brings us to another philosophical point. Is one more pro-life because he says he is or he does something constructive about it? What good are all these Sanctity of Life bills if they know they have zero chance of being law? Where were they when the Republicans controlled both chambers, the WH, and the Supreme Court? And even if they overturn Roe vs Wade and give the power back to the states, Reagan’s signed bill in California will still allow abortions there, and abortions will be legal in many other states as well.I’m not a Ron Paul ‘fanatic,’ I was just giving an example of an alternative candidate who runs on a pro-life basis. I’ve been met with such aggression, assertions have been thrown at me left and right, and yet all I am trying to do is foster a discussion. I haven’t called anybody names, I haven’t questioned anybody’s intention or intellect, the only time I made an assertion was in regards to people voting Republican as being duped, something that I stand by as nobody has made a plausible argument to show that voting Republican actually does anything to curb abortion rates. And when I ask for some proof, you say “ah whatever, you’re just crazy and not worth my time.” I wonder if Christ would have handled someone who disagreed with him in a similar fashion
Wow the strawmen are on the march.
As I’ve said numerous times, Lisa, my personal position on abortion–which may even disagree somewhat with the “official” Jewish position–is meant in no way to negate your position, which I take it is based on both Church teaching and your own reasoning. In fact, I will and have defended Catholics’ right to oppose abortion on religious and moral grounds by means of protest at abortion clinics, by petition, etc. And I have myself protested the HHS mandate because I view it as a violation of religious liberty, as Cardinal Dolan has so eloquently pointed out. However, from my own liberal perspective (I happen to be a Democrat but only because that party presently advocates more liberal views), I cannot see denying others their right to an abortion based on their own religious views and reasoning, even though you may regard the latter as misguided. The same argument applies to issues such as same-sex marriage and euthanasia. I do not find it internally inconsistent to hold my own views and practice my own beliefs while, at the same time, refusing to protest against the beliefs others may hold. You are free to do so but I am also free not to do so. THAT is what I think many conservatives, largely Republican these days, fail to grasp. I don’t see this as “mental gymnastics”; I view it as a liberal way of thinking and behaving.
So a person should be surprised that in a catholic forum they get corrected by people when they attack Catholic teaching?
I haven’t reread their posts, but did the poster actually ATTACK Catholic teaching or rather disagree with it as well as conservative philosophy?
First be aware that the “mental gymnastics” reference was with respect to CATHOLICS voting for Obama and trying to justify their position…they cannot despite turning into human pretzels in the effort.
Mental gymnastics indeed. people who claim to be pro-life yet, claim those of us who work in the ministry are dupes and that the best way to stop abortion is to empower people who support unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand!