Will you be in heaven?

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Eden:
It fully answers your question. Are you truly not understanding why?
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No, it doesn’t answer the question. It is an attempt on your part to avoid the question.
Jesus said his Church would be “the light of the world.”
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Actually, Jesus was speaking to His followers and said that they were the light of the world in the present sense, not that the church would, one day in the future, be the light of the world.
This means that his Church will never be destroyed and will never fall away from him. His Church will survive until his return.
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I agree. That’s why I am happy that I am a part of that church.
If you are not a member of that Church you are not a part of the church.
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I am a part of that church, thank you.
I’m not concerned with how anyone else who reads these posts responds to my assertion that you used Buddhism as a non sequitor to discredit the Church’s origins 2,000 years ago. “To thine own self be true”
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Again, this is simply dishonesty on your part.

Anyone who reads my post will see that, not only did I not equate Christianity with Buddhism, I also never “used Buddhism as a non sequitor to discredit the Church’s origins 2,000 years ago.”

I simply used Buddhism as an example of the faulty logic of claiming that the mere age of something makes it true.

I have affirmed many times here that the church was, indeed, established more than 2,000 years ago.
 
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12volt_man:
Yes, I do.

It’s a very small, very thin wafer.
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Knowing this, is that also how you define a cracker? Well, I appreciate that you realized you went too far and are trying to retract that uncensored statement.
 
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Eden:
Knowing this, is that also how you define a cracker? Well, I appreciate that you realized you went too far and are trying to retract that uncensored statement.
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Look, I’ve apologized for this three times now. I was sincere each time. It was an honest mistake.

I’m sorry, I’ve moved on. I will not beat myself up over an honest mistake.

Don’t worry, I’m going to Hell anyway, I’m sure God will take it out on me there.
 
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12volt_man:
Don’t worry, I’m going to Hell anyway, I’m sure God will take it out on me there.
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Oh my! You should not say this–not even sarcastically. 😦
 
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Mickey:
Oh my! You should not say this–not even sarcastically. 😦
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No, it’s true. I’ve been told by two people here that I cannot be saved and am going to Hell.
 
We don’t believe that salvation can be maintained by ritual. Either you’re saved or you’re not.
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1 Cor. 1:18 - for the word of the cross is folly to those perishing, but for to us who are being saved, it is the power of God. Salvation is not a one-time event. It is a process of perseverance through faith, hope and love.

2 Cor. 2:15 - for we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved. Salvation is a continual process.

Phil. 2:12 - we are working out our salvation through fear and trembling. Salvation is an ongoing process.

1 Peter 1:9 - you obtain the salvation of your souls as the outcome of your faith. Working out our salvation in fear and trembling is a lifelong process.

and some will only be saved in the next life.
 
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12volt_man:
No, it doesn’t answer the question. It is an attempt on your part to avoid the question.
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Then the question was flawed.
Actually, Jesus was speaking to His followers and said that they were the light of the world in the present sense, not that the church would, one day in the future, be the light of the world.
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It is a reference to the special selection of the twelve. Our bishops through Apostolic Succession continue the mission of the Apostles:

(ii) The Office of the Twelve and their Future Destiny – They are to be with Him and to be sent to preach (Mark 3:14). They are the salt of the earth and the light of the world (Matthew 5:13-16). They also must protect the world against corruption and elevate it by their holy example. What Christ has told them in the dark, they shall speak in the light (Matthew 10:26-27).
I agree. That’s why I am happy that I am a part of that church.
I am a part of that church, thank you.
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Which church? John Smith’s?
Again, this is simply dishonesty on your part.
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I find it amusing that you continue to question my honesty.
I simply used Buddhism as an example of the faulty logic of claiming that the mere age of something makes it true.

I have affirmed many times here that the church was, indeed, established more than 2,000 years ago.
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You are agreeing that the Church is 2,000 years old but you don’t think it’s significant? Again you are missing the distinction. Comparing time and using Buddhism is a non sequitor because no faith before Christ is relevant to a discussion of the validity of the Church. I believe in this case you honestly do not see what I am saying.
 
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12volt_man:
No, it’s true. I’ve been told by two people here that I cannot be saved and am going to Hell.
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You are still alive. No one can say how your life will turn. No one can say what anyone’s fate will be.
 
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12volt_man:
They’re both sure that this is what Roman Catholicism teaches.
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I suggest you refer to the Catechism for understanding of what the Church teaches about salvation instead of deriding posters on this forum when you have no other answers.
 
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Eden:
I suggest you refer to the Catechism for understanding of what the Church teaches about salvation instead of deriding posters on this forum when you have no other answers.
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I’m not deriding anyone. I’m just telling you what they told me.
 
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12volt_man:
No, it’s true. I’ve been told by two people here that I cannot be saved and am going to Hell.
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Well, now you know that the Catholic Church makes no such judgements.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.
 
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Mickey:
Well, now you know that the Catholic Church makes no such judgements.

Love the sinner, hate the sin.
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So then, I don’t need the Roman Catholic church for my salvation, after all?
 
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Mickey:
That is not for me to judge.
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You’d be the first one. People here, as well as on another message board I post on have told me that I cannot be saved without following the rituals of the Roman Catholic church.

One person here has even declared that I am going to Hell.
 
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12volt_man:
So then, I don’t need the Roman Catholic church for my salvation, after all?
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You (we all) need Jesus Christ.

He is found most fully in the church(singular) which He founded.

Hell is for those who mortally reject Him. It does **not **appear that is the case with you.

The gifts, the graces, the ‘aids’ the helps, which He provides for us to attain heaven are most abundant in the Catholic Church. All other churches have their existence founded in a rejection of one or more or many of the Catholic teachings.
 
My second oldest is a staunch Baptist who used to tell me that we are going to hell “because” we are Catholic. He has softend as he has learned. He loves the scriptures and uses (sometimes abuses) them often… someday he will be an amazing Catholic:yup:
 
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12volt_man:
You’d be the first one. People here, as well as on another message board I post on have told me that I cannot be saved without following the rituals of the Roman Catholic church.

One person here has even declared that I am going to Hell.
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I would suggest going to your nearest Catholic church and discussing this with a member of clergy. You have been given a link to the Catechism to fully understand what the Church teaches. If you are still confused, a priest can help you with your questions about salvation. Using a Catholic message board to determine whether or not you are in peril is probably the least wise way to go about your journey of faith.

Of course, your real purpose in repeating that you are condemned to hell is really a deflection from the fact that you don’t have concrete examples of where the Church is in error. But I’ll pretend like you are not mocking posters and go back to my original suggestion of speaking to a member of clergy about this most personal matter.
 
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