Will you stand for the Canadian Anthem

[buffalo]

MacleodOFS:

In that case, sir or madame, you are defining Canada as the enemy.

The real enemy is Satan. When he is able to convert so many to evil, do we just accept it and let it be, or do we make a stand?

Since Canada has chosen and embraced this evil (through its representative government) the battle is on. It is really no different than the battle we are facing in the US with regard to the culture of death. I would not take offense if a Catholic countries citizen refused to stand at the US anthem. I would definitely understand their statement, and it would motivate me to do more to reverse the evil.

 

[Ani_Ibi]

buffalo:

Since Canada has chosen and embraced this evil (through its representative government) the battle is on.

True. Even though the majority of Canadians in fact did not choose this, we are still accountable for our elected officials.

buffalo:

It is really no different than the battle we are facing in the US with regard to the culture of death. I would not take offense if a Catholic countries citizen refused to stand at the US anthem. I would definitely understand their statement, and it would motivate me to do more to reverse the evil.

I contend that there is an essential difference between not standing for our anthem and imposing boycotts on our goods, services, and tourist industry.

Boycotts are about money talks. Less money says that we, as democracies, are interdependent and that our partner is seriously offended with a decision our elected officials have taken arbitrarily.

Not standing also talks, but it says much more than a boycott can. Not standing is about collateral damage. It disrespects the honour of our war dead. And it severs a friendship which could operate to rectify the offending situation.

So as an orthodox Catholic Canadian, I am willing to cooperate with you by submitting to the sacrifices imposed by any boycott you wish to undertake against our goods, services, and tourist industry. Your not standing for our anthem, however, is something which is personally injurious to me. Similarly I was not OK when Montrealers booed your anthem before a hockey game there.

People died for these anthems and for what these anthems stand for. People also died for our flags and for what our flags stand for.

Let’s move this forward. Are you willing to boycott? If so, what is your first step? Someone else has also suggested that Catholics start organizing rotating National strikes. What do you think of that idea?

 

[buffalo]

I now understand more deeply why you would be hurt.

The war dead issue - I would wager the war dead in both our countries would be rolling in their graves if they knew that their fight for freedom would result in a culture of death and evil. I submit what is happening today is an insult to their valor.

 

[sarcophagus]

buffalo, you have to understand. Every country has “submitted to evil” at one point or another. Your great amazing country was the first, I believe, to legalize abortion and yet I do not see you saying you won’t stand for your own anthem. You must also understand that, like in your own country, we do not vote on individual issues, we only vote the people who can lie most convincingly, once the election is over, they can do basically whatever they want, like legalize same-sex marriage.

I’d also like to point out that by not standing for our national anthem, not only are you disrespecting the people who wanted same-sex marriage, you are also disrespecting the people who did not. Get over your hatred and show a little unity with your fellow catholics instead of trying to prove a point by being tirelessly disrespectful. Do you really think Jesus would sit down?

 

[buffalo]

sarcophagus:

buffalo, you have to understand. Every country has “submitted to evil” at one point or another. Your great amazing country was the first, I believe, to legalize abortion and yet I do not see you saying you won’t stand for your own anthem. You must also understand that, like in your own country, we do not vote on individual issues, we only vote the people who can lie most convincingly, once the election is over, they can do basically whatever they want, like legalize same-sex marriage.

I’d also like to point out that by not standing for our national anthem, not only are you disrespecting the people who wanted same-sex marriage, you are also disrespecting the people who did not. Get over your hatred and show a little unity with your fellow catholics instead of trying to prove a point by being tirelessly disrespectful. Do you really think Jesus would sit down?

I have stated that I would stand for my own countries anthem, but not Canada’s.and the reasons. As I said I stand for my countries anthem as a citizen of the US. I was taught that we stand for the Canadian anthem because of the long period of civility between our countries.

Do I hate? You bet I do. I hate evil, for to love God is to hate evil.

Are you suggesting I get into lock step with my fellow Catholics just to be politically correct? I say not.

I will definitely rethink whether I will stand or sit based on your and other Canadian posters comments.

Jesus had no problem showing his anger in the temple when the money changers defiled the temple. Whether He would sit or stand is an interesting question indeed. Maybe that would be a good poll.

Now a question to you - What steps are you taking to reverse this evil?

BTW - the poll currently shows 14 y vs 8 n.

 

[buffalo]

Public Discomfort With Canadian Catholic Bishops’ Approach to Catholic Politicians Growing

OTTAWA, July 25, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) - From far and near, from left and right, from Catholics and non-Catholics the actions and non-actions of the Canadian Catholic hierarchy toward Canadian Catholic politicians is coming under fire. The recent passage of the same-sex ‘marriage’ law in Canada with the votes of a majority of Catholic politicians, and at the behest of a Catholic Prime Minister has focussed attention in Canada on renegade Catholicism rampant in politics and seemingly unchecked by the majority of Canada’s bishops.

Of the well over 50 Catholic MPs and Senators who voted in favour of homosexual ‘marriage’ despite the desperate pleas of Catholic bishops, only three are known to have received any discipline from the Church, and all three happen to represent the same political party - the NDP the furthest left-leaning mainline party in Canada’s political makeup.

MP Charlie Angus, has been denied communion by his priest with the support of Timmins Bishop Paul Marchand. London Bishop Ronald Fabbro has publicly announced the MP Joe Comartin is no longer allowed to act in public roles in the Chruch, neither to give marriage preparation classes (as he did formerly) nor to distribute communion nor to read the Bible at Masses. MP Tony Martin who expressed publicly his support for homosexual ‘marriage’ prior to the vote on the legislation was suspended as a reader at Masses.

Sure enough the bishops who dared to act were blasted by the press for their actions, editorials cropped up in many papers decrying the Bishops for daring to do what faithful Catholics consider - taking the faith seriously. Even England’s (albeit left leaning) Catholic paper The Tablet decried the actions against Angus making him sound more like a martyr than a public sinner.

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In a column, published in the Ottawa Citizen on Sunday, David Warren, a recent convert to Catholicism writes, "It feels odd, to be defending Catholic authority, so soon after my arrival. Yet, if I don’t speak, who will? It can be no secret that the majority of Canadian Catholic bishops are cowards. With the important exception of the Bishop of Calgary (Fred Henry), they run away from almost any opportunity to defend the faith they were entrusted to defend. They will act, grudgingly, when they get instructions directly from the Vatican, but then they let everyone feel their pain. Some appear to be themselves opposed to most Church teaching. It is thus left to the laity to do for the Catholic Church that for which its “hands on” leadership have not the stomach."

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[Ani_Ibi]

It is thus left to the laity to do for the Catholic Church that for which its “hands on” leadership have not the stomach."
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“It is left to the laity” is the most telling clause in the whole sorry pile of journalistic rhetoric to which we have subjected ourselves. David Warren, by writing this, has exercised bold leadership. Let the bishops do what the bishops will do: presumably have mint tea with the Family Compact. Let the laity turn this puppy around.

David Warren’s email address: otiosus@sympatico.ca

Two proposals on the table are:

1. an American Catholic boycott of Canadian goods, services, and tourism;
2. a series of rotating strikes undertaken by Canadian Catholics.

Any other suggestions? Who is going to be the first to write Warren?

 

[John_Higgins]

Okay, let’s say I don’t live in metropolitan Chicago, let’s say I live in the Canadian city most like Chicago, Toronto. Let’s say I go a game where the Blue Jays are playing the White Sox (and getting ready to lose, but that’s another topic ) . At the beginning of the game there’s a bunch of folk from the US who stand during the Star Spangled Banner, then sit during O Canada! Do you think I’d notice? Do you think I’d know why they were sitting? Do you think I’d care if I knew?

This tactic is truly pointless.

If you want to try to interfere in internal governance of another sovereign nation (Why would you anyway?), why not try something a little more effective?

Do I think we from the US should do anything? No.

Did everyone boycott Ben and Jerry’s while Vermont has been shifting more to the left? No.

John

 

[MacleodOFS]

buffalo:

The real enemy is Satan. When he is able to convert so many to evil, do we just accept it and let it be, or do we make a stand?

Since Canada has chosen and embraced this evil (through its representative government) the battle is on. It is really no different than the battle we are facing in the US with regard to the culture of death. I would not take offense if a Catholic countries citizen refused to stand at the US anthem. I would definitely understand their statement, and it would motivate me to do more to reverse the evil.

What I am taking offence at is not your attitude to the Canadian anthem, stupid and wrong though it is.
I am taking offence – deep, angry and very personal offence – at your comparison of Canada to Nazi Germany.

 

[Benoit_Cardin]

I am a french Canadian. I do not approve of the recent decision, I do not think that you can separate the internal policies from the people. So if I were you I would be very carefull not to hurt your cousins feelings… And as far as I am concerned and as much as I love the USA, I can say that no Country is perfect…And still I would stand for the USA Anthem

Peace of Christ

 

[JMJ_Pinoy]

buffalo:

With the passage of same sex marriages will you stand when they play the Canadian Anthem?

I voted no, but that’s just b/c I live in the U.S. and I doubt there’ll be an occasion where I may have to stand up for the Canadian anthem. But if the occasion were to rise… I’d probably stand up, out of respect.

 

[buffalo]

MacleodOFS:

What I am taking offence at is not your attitude to the Canadian anthem, stupid and wrong though it is.
I am taking offence – deep, angry and very personal offence – at your comparison of Canada to Nazi Germany.

Get over it. It was only a comparison to make a point. (This PC stuff kills me) I could have used any country we were at war with. If it will make you happy - I will withdraw the comparison and use the American Civil War as an example. Happy?

 

[Ani_Ibi]

MacleodOFS:

What I am taking offence at is not your attitude to the Canadian anthem, stupid and wrong though it is.
I am taking offence – deep, angry and very personal offence – at your comparison of Canada to Nazi Germany.

Certainly Canada is not as extreme as Nazi Germany. However the comparison is fair. The country is run by a Family Compact mentality, notwithstanding that we pretend to have gotten rid of the FC after Confederation. The freedoms of many ordinary Canadians are tenuous at best. My suspicion is, and my experience has been, that most Canadians do not have the slightest idea that a Charter of Rights and Freedoms exists let alone bothering to read it and understand it.

In my neighbourhood, many freedoms guaranteed to me by the Charter have been taken away arbitrarily by a gang of pink-polyester thugs who cover their trail with the convolutions of politically correct new-speak. Most pointedly, my freedom of expression and my freedom of thought and my freedom of religion, to name only a few. And barring my winning the lottery and becoming a millionaire, I have no recourse in law. At least not in the way the law is being misapplied by those in authority.

Flaming buffalo is not helpful. buffalo is angry. he is looking for something to do which will powerfully communicate his feelings about what Canadians have allowed their government to do. If we disagree with what our government has done, then doing nothing is sheepish. It only compounds the real harm being done to real Canadians. If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. So let’s talk about solutions:

On the table so far are:

1. Not standing for the Canadian anthem.
2. Boycotting Canadian goods, services, and tourism.
3. Rotating National Catholic strikes in the workforce.

What are your suggestions?

 

[KathleenElsie]

Yes out of respect to those that are fighting to bring their country back to its foundation. I would be doing this so that those people trying to turn things around can see that they are supported by us.

 

[JOHNYJ]

During the early 60’s I was in the Air Force stationed in Northern Montana .We use to joke that the nearest big city was Regina,in Canada.
We use to have sports teams from Canada come and play us or the nearby town. They usualy played O Canada & The Star Spangled Banner befor the Games. One time for some reason they played " God Save the Queen ".Didn’t matter people stood.Thats what adults do and well brought up children,they stand !

 

[Adonis33]

JOHNYJ:

During the early 60’s I was in the Air Force stationed in Northern Montana .We use to joke that the nearest big city was Regina,in Canada.
We use to have sports teams from Canada come and play us or the nearby town. They usualy played O Canada & The Star Spangled Banner befor the Games. One time for some reason they played " God Save the Queen ".Didn’t matter people stood.Thats what adults do and well brought up children,they stand !

It is hard to agree with every countries policies. We get offended if foreigners do not stand for our National Anthem, due to an objection to our policies. Although I do not agree with thier same sex policy, I would never show any country disrespect.

 

[Donna_P]

Elizastaci:

Interesting question. Let me ask a similar one: given that abortion is legal in the US, do you stand for our national anthem?

I do, out of respect. No country’s policies are perfect. But I stand up for our anthem because I believe in the principles our country was founded on.

You make a good point. Initially I thought not to stand. But then, there are still those Canadians that oppose same sex marriage.

 

[pnewton]

Benoit Cardin:

And as far as I am concerned and as much as I love the USA, I can say that no Country is perfect…And still I would stand for the USA Anthem

I would totally understand if some choose not to stand during the US national anthem. After all, we wrote the book on spineless, immoral politicians, then elected one to the presidency on occasion. This whole issue reminds me we must first remove the mote from our eye before we can remove the beam from our neighbors. If God chooses to rain down fire and brimstone, I would feel safer anywhere in Canada, than in Washington, Boston, New York, the state of Florida, etc.

I will stand for both countries out of respect for the more nobler ideas that often are overshadowed by the immoral actions of our governments - both of them.