Wine before Mass?

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Hi, I am a sacristan at my parish. Until recently, it was my job to pour the wine into a big gold pitcher and place it on the side table. Now, my pastor is having me fill each individual cup with wine before Mass so that he doesn’t have to do it during Mass. I feel that this strays from the procession of the Mass. What are your thoughts?
 
The reason your priest has asked you to fill the individual cups before the Mass is because the consecrated wine is not to be poured so that it will not be spilled on the altar. Our priests pour the wine from the pitcher at the altar before the consecration. It seems your priest wants to save a step during the Mass, which I don’t think is “out of bounds” as long as the consecrated wine is not being poured at the altar.
 
What about the mixing of the water and the wine that is supposed to accure before the wine is poured?
 
Now, my pastor is having me fill each individual cup with wine before Mass so that he doesn’t have to do it during Mass.
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I am 100% sure that this is illicit, and should not be happening.
 
richiejm3 said:
What about the mixing of the water and the wine that is supposed to accure before the wine is poured?
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Water is only required to be added to the main Chalice at the altar. Wine can be distributed into sepapate Chalices before Mass.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
Water is only required to be added to the main Chalice at the altar. Wine can be distributed into sepapate Chalices before Mass.
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Sometimes I see the water being poured into the main container and then distibuted and other times I’ve seen the wine poured first and then the water added to the main Chalice. I’ve wondered about that. Thanks for the clarification. Where does this instruction come from?
 
richiejm3 said:
Sometimes I see the water being poured into the main container and then distibuted and other times I’ve seen the wine poured first and then the water added to the main Chalice. I’ve wondered about that. Thanks for the clarification. Where does this instruction come from?
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The GIRM and Sacramentary both say that a little water is added to “The Chalice”, meaning the celebrants chalice. Which is the only chalice required for the celebration of Mass.
 
No, i dont have a source, i may be mistaken, however, pouring the wine and water into the Chalice is a special moment, and the priest says various silent prayers if i am not mistaken (havent been to a NO Mass in a few, weeks so i may be wrong…).

Should a layperson be pouring wine into the Chalices before Mass?

I dont think so.
 
Br.Rich_SFO said:
The GIRM and Sacramentary both say that a little water is added to “The Chalice”, meaning the celebrants chalice. Which is the only chalice required for the celebration of Mass.
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So, I understand that the main Chalice is the only one “required” on the Alter and that the GIRM and Sacramentary were writen with that in mind. Is that correct? If so then does that really mean that any other Chalice on the Alter doesn’t require the water in it. Was the extra Chalices on the Alter something that was considered when this instruction was set in place? Is the Blood of Christ supposed to be the same thing whether in the main Chalice or in extra ones on the Alter?

I’m sorry for all the questions I am genuinly looking for answers. I hope I’m not going off the topic here. Thank you.

Rich
 
richiejm3 said:
So, I understand that the main Chalice is the only one “required” on the Alter and that the GIRM and Sacramentary were writen with that in mind. Is that correct? If so then does that really mean that any other Chalice on the Alter doesn’t require the water in it. Was the extra Chalices on the Alter something that was considered when this instruction was set in place? Is the Blood of Christ supposed to be the same thing whether in the main Chalice or in extra ones on the Alter?

I’m sorry for all the questions I am genuinly looking for answers. I hope I’m not going off the topic here. Thank you.

Rich
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A chalice without water is NOT invalid matter. Since the documents do not speak of “chalices”, it is an interpretation.
 
Orogeny said:
Why not? It’s just wine.

Peace

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Sure a layperson can prepare the elements before Mass. They cannot however add the water to the wine that must be done by either the priest or deacon at the proper time.
 
In our Church for Sundays and Holy Days we (sacristans) pour the wine into cups for the people before Mass but we now use a Small decanter with a small amount of wine. The priest pours this into his chalice during the Mass and adds the water to it.
 
For those who do pre-fill chalices please remember to cover each chalice (like we used to do) so that flies and other bugs do not find the wine and land on the rim of the chalice.
 
nccbuscc.org/liturgy/innews/0904.shtml
Redemptionis Sacramentum [RS], which prescribed that “the pouring of the Blood of Christ after the consecration from one vessel to another is completely to be avoided, lest anything should happen that would be to the detriment of so great a mystery. Never to be used for containing the Blood of the Lord are flagons, bowls, or other vessels that are not fully in accord with the established norms” (RS, no. 106).
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The history here is that the US bishops had passed a norm which allowed it and then the new GIRM came out followed by RS which clearly did not allow for it. Then Cardinal George wrote to the Congregation and recieved the response that pouring the consecrated wine and the use of flagons during consecration at the altar must be completely eliminated.

usccb.org/liturgy/current/norms.shtml
At the Preparation of the Gifts*
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  1. The altar is prepared with corporal, purificator, Missal, and chalice (unless the chalice is prepared at a side table) by the deacon and the servers. The gifts of bread and wine are brought forward by the faithful and received by the priest or deacon or at a convenient place.(Cf.GIRM, no.333). If one chalice is not sufficient for Holy Communion to be distributed under both kinds to the Priest concelebrants or Christ’s faithful, several chalices are placed on a corporal on the altar in an appropraite place, filled with wine. It is praiseworthy that the main chalice be larger than the other chalices prepared for distribution.(50)
 
If wine is not being poured into a chalice during Mass then there is a failure to follow this rubric:

"The deacon (or the priest) pours wine and a little water into the chalice, saying inaudibly:
“By the mystery of this water and wine …”.
(From The Roman Missal, Catholic Book Publishing Co., New York, 1985, page 370).

The same is in Missale Romanum, Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 2002, ISBN: 8820972719, page 514:
"24. Diaconus, vel sacerdos, infundit vinum et parum aquae in calicem, dicens secreto:
“Per huis aquae …”.

Also in the 2002 General Introduction to the Roman Missal (GIRM) which can be accessed from romanrite.com/girm.html :

“142. After this, as the minister presents the cruets, the priest stands at the side of the altar and pours wine and a little water into the chalice, saying quietly, Per huius aquae (By the mystery of this water). …”

“178. After the Prayer of the Faithful, while the priest remains at the chair, the deacon prepares the altar, assisted by the acolyte, but it is the deacon’s place to take care of the sacred vessels himself. He also assists the priest in receiving the people’s gifts. Next, he hands the priest the paten with the bread to be consecrated, pours wine and a little water into the chalice, saying quietly, Per huius aquae (By the mystery of this water), and after this presents the chalice to the priest. He may also carry out the preparation of the chalice at the credence table.”
 
hey thanks for you (name removed by moderator)ut! Just for clarification, the wine is NOT consecrated yet. My priest consecrates it during mass. He also puts the water in during mass as well.
 
Ha ha, I thought this thread was going to discuss if it’s okay to drink wine before Mass. Is it okay?
 
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