Wine in a chrystal/class dispenser on the alter?

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At my parish the priest keeps the wine in a glass container and then poors it into the chalices after consecrating the wine in one chalice. Is this permissable or should each chalice be filled with wine at the alter before the consecration?
 
At my parish the priest keeps the wine in a glass container and then poors it into the chalices after consecrating the wine in one chalice. Is this permissable or should each chalice be filled with wine at the alter before the consecration?
There is no pouring of the Precious Blood. The wine must be transformed in the sacred vessel in which it will be offered to the faithful.
 
At my parish the priest keeps the wine in a glass container and then poors it into the chalices after consecrating the wine in one chalice. Is this permissable or should each chalice be filled with wine at the alter before the consecration?
The Precious Blood of Our Lord and Saviour, must be consecrated in the sacred vessel, made of gold or a precious metal. If not, it is a sacriliege, and is offensive to Our Lord. The Blood is NOT to be poured, only drank by those in a state of Grace. You should tell the priest this. There is instructions that MUST be followed in the GIRM. Yes, this is a big deal. This is the Body & Blood of Our Lord that we are talking about, not bread and wine.
Blessed Virgin Mary, Pray for Us!
 
The Precious Blood of Our Lord and Saviour, must be consecrated in the sacred vessel, made of gold or a precious metal. If not, it is a sacriliege, and is offensive to Our Lord. The Blood is NOT to be poured, only drank by those in a state of Grace. You should tell the priest this. There is instructions that MUST be followed in the GIRM. Yes, this is a big deal. This is the Body & Blood of Our Lord that we are talking about, not bread and wine.
Blessed Virgin Mary, Pray for Us!
In my parish the priest uses a large crystal wine decanter when filled would amount to about a litre and a half. And he consecrates the wine from in the crystal decanter before pouring it into several chalices. People have approached the priest and archbishop on this matter.
In a manner of speaking we are told to mind are own business.

Sometimes I wonder if some of us Catholics are like dumb sponges who are told to go in and out with the tide. Go along to get along seems like a familiar tune.
 
The Precious Blood of Our Lord and Saviour, must be consecrated in the sacred vessel, made of gold or a precious metal. If not, it is a sacriliege, and is offensive to Our Lord
It most certainly is not a sacrilege nor is it offensive to the Lord. Glass or crystal chalices are not to be used due the fact that they break easily but that’s a far cry from being a sacrilege or offense against the Lord. Not to mention that early Christians seemed to indeed use glass chalices. Are you claiming the early Church approved of sacrilege and offenses against the Lord?
 
It most certainly is not a sacrilege nor is it offensive to the Lord. Glass or crystal chalices are not to be used due the fact that they break easily but that’s a far cry from being a sacrilege or offense against the Lord. Not to mention that early Christians seemed to indeed use glass chalices. Are you claiming the early Church approved of sacrilege and offenses against the Lord?
No… BUT, both of these things are now specifically forbidden by the GIRM out of reverence and simple common sense. By pouring the consecrated Blood, and by using glass or crystal, we are risking a sacrilege by spilling the Precious Blood during the pouring, or breaking the container or glass. Although the act is not a sacrilege in itself, the consequence of the act COULD be.
 
I’d agree.

Some take rubrics in the GIRM too far…and to presume what is and what is not offensive to the Lord.

We do both in our parish; pour consecrated wine and use a crystal decanter and crystal chalices.

Several bishops have been to our parish and have nary blinked an eye. If they don’t care about it, neither do I. We still treat the precious blood with reverence…not “sacrilege”.
 
It most certainly is not a sacrilege nor is it offensive to the Lord. Glass or crystal chalices are not to be used due the fact that they break easily but that’s a far cry from being a sacrilege or offense against the Lord. Not to mention that early Christians seemed to indeed use glass chalices. Are you claiming the early Church approved of sacrilege and offenses against the Lord?
The issue is not just whether a vessel breaks easily (glass), is porous (unglazed crockery), or rusts (steel), but also that it should be made of a noble material. So the GIRM asks for “precious metal,” or at least gilding on the inside, or “other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do not easily break or deteriorate.” Glass used to be rare and expensive, which is why people used it for sacred vessels. Maybe crystal could be considered that way today; but the point is not that glass is (or is not) somehow ontologically precious, such that if used in 210 AD it should be used in 2010 AD.

You’re definitely right that it’s not a sacrilege, though!
 
The issue is not just whether a vessel breaks easily (glass), is porous (unglazed crockery), or rusts (steel), but also that it should be made of a noble material. So the GIRM asks for “precious metal,” or at least gilding on the inside, or “other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do not easily break or deteriorate.” Glass used to be rare and expensive, which is why people used it for sacred vessels. Maybe crystal could be considered that way today; but the point is not that glass is (or is not) somehow ontologically precious, such that if used in 210 AD it should be used in 2010 AD.

You’re definitely right that it’s not a sacrilege, though!
You’re definitely right that it’s not a sacrilege, though!
Nothing personal; **You can’t have it both ways to say NO is not sacrilege then turn around and say well the GIRM is against such practices. I despise wishy-washy liturgical practices.
If the GIRM is against it then call it for what it is. We can’t act like a bunch of mindless idiotic chickens with their heads cut off. IT IS SACRILEGE!!! **
 
+Below are the Church’s instructions re the sacred vessels with the Vatican Link for same . . . hope this helps a bit to at least clear up some of the confusion . . . *how it must sadden and further wound our **Blessed Lord’s ** so dear **Holy Wounded Sacred ❤️ Heart **when His priests disrespect **Him **and disobey our Holy Mother Church’s instruction *. . .
. . . :coffeeread: . . .
CONGREGATION FOR DIVINE WORSHIP
AND THE DISCIPLINE OF THE SACRAMENT
INSTRUCTION
*Redemptionis Sacramentum
On certain matters to be observed or to be avoided
regarding the Most Holy Eucharist*
Chapter V
CERTAIN OTHER MATTERS CONCERNING
THE EUCHARIST

3. Sacred Vessels
**[117.] Sacred vessels for containing the Body and Blood of the Lord must be made in strict conformity with the norms **of tradition and of the liturgical books.[205]The Bishops’ Conferences have the faculty to decide whether it is appropriate, once their decisions have been given the recognitio by the Apostolic See, for sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as well. It is strictly required, however, that such materials be truly noble in the common estimation within a given region,[206]so that honour will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided. Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily. This norm is to be applied even as regards metals and other materials that easily rust or deteriorate.[207]
[118.] Before they are used, sacred vessels are to be blessed by a Priest according to the rites laid down in the liturgical books.[208] It is praiseworthy for the blessing to be given by the diocesan Bishop, who will judge whether the vessels are worthy of the use to which they are destined.
. . . all for Jesus+​
 
Nothing personal; **You can’t have it both ways to say NO is not sacrilege then turn around and say well the GIRM is against such practices. I despise wishy-washy liturgical practices.
If the GIRM is against it then call it for what it is. We can’t act like a bunch of mindless idiotic chickens with their heads cut off. IT IS SACRILEGE!!! **
I don’t think “sacrilege” means whatever you seem to believe it does.
 
I don’t think “sacrilege” means whatever you seem to believe it does.
So what do you think of priests and bishops who bend the liturgical laws of the GIRM to suit their own self-righteous whimsical perceptions?

Pray for them Yes
 
So what do you think of priests and bishops who bend the liturgical laws of the GIRM to suit their own self-righteous whimsical perceptions?
Their disobedience drives me crazy! Catholics have a right to a reverent and faithfull-to-the-books mass.
I’d agree.

Some take rubrics in the GIRM too far…and to presume what is and what is not offensive to the Lord.
And someone doesn’t know how to obey good mother church, and listen when she tells you something…
We do both in our parish; pour consecrated wine and use a crystal decanter and crystal chalices.
Are you saying that your parish is the hight of litirgical perfection? If the church says no, the NO!

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Nothing personal; **You can’t have it both ways to say NO is not sacrilege then turn around and say well the GIRM is against such practices. I despise wishy-washy liturgical practices.
If the GIRM is against it then call it for what it is. We can’t act like a bunch of mindless idiotic chickens with their heads cut off. IT IS SACRILEGE!!! **
What he said.
 
I’d agree.

Some take rubrics in the GIRM too far…and to presume what is and what is not offensive to the Lord.

We do both in our parish; pour consecrated wine and use a crystal decanter and crystal chalices.

Several bishops have been to our parish and have nary blinked an eye. If they don’t care about it, neither do I. We still treat the precious blood with reverence…not “sacrilege”.
The Vatican has listed both of those as being grave offenses.
[106.] However, the pouring of the Blood of Christ after the consecration from one vessel to another is completely to be avoided, lest anything should happen that would be to the detriment of so great a mystery.
[177]Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily.
[173.] Although the gravity of a matter is to be judged in accordance with the common teaching of the Church and the norms established by her, objectively to be considered among grave matters is anything that puts at risk the validity and dignity of the Most Holy Eucharist: namely, anything that contravenes what is set out above in nn. 48-52, 56, 76-77, 79, 91-92, 94, 96, 101-102, 104, 106, 109, 111, 115, 117, 126, 131-133, 138, 153 and 168.
Redemptionis Sacramentum

Considering that the Vatican has made this determination (specifically so), who do you say has the authority to say otherwise?

Granted, ‘grave’ is different from ‘sacrilegious’. Sacrilegious is an offence against the sanctity of the Sacrament. Crystal chalices and pouring the Precious Blood are offenses against the dignity of the Sacrament.

And we get that as a specific notation from the Vatican.
 

+. . . :coffeeread: . . . **
Sacrilege**
Sacrilege is the violation or injurious treatment of a sacred object. In a less proper sense, any transgression against the virtue of religion would be a sacrilege. It can come in the form of irreverence to sacred persons, places, and things. When the sacrilegious offence is verbal, it is called blasphemy. “Sacrilege” originates from the Latin sacer, sacred, and legere, to steal, as in Roman times it referred to the plundering of temples and graves. By the time of Cicero, sacrilege had adopted a more expansive meaning, including verbal offences against religion and undignified treatment of sacred objects.
Most ancient religions have a concept analogous to sacrilege, often considered as a type of taboo. The basic idea is that sacred objects are not to be treated in the same way as other objects.
- Wikipedia
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. . . all for Jesus+​
 
Their disobedience drives me crazy! Catholics have a right to a reverent and faithfull-to-the-books mass.

And someone doesn’t know how to obey good mother church, and listen when she tells you something…

Are you saying that your parish is the hight of litirgical perfection? If the church says no, the NO!

Says a lot about those bishops, and you.

What he said.
Well all I can say friend that its OK to be critical of liturgical abuses as long as our criticism doesn’t get personally biased. I did express that we should PRAY for our priests and bishops Is not forgiveness and prayer an integral part of Christian life shrouded in humility?
 
Nothing personal; **You can’t have it both ways to say NO is not sacrilege then turn around and say well the GIRM is against such practices. I despise wishy-washy liturgical practices.
If the GIRM is against it then call it for what it is. We can’t act like a bunch of mindless idiotic chickens with their heads cut off. IT IS SACRILEGE!!! **
Come on… it’s disobedience, not sacrilege. Otherwise there are many a bishop committing sacrilege on a regular basis.
 
Come on… it’s disobedience, not sacrilege. Otherwise there are many a bishop committing sacrilege on a regular basis.
No disrespect but would you say that liturgical disobedience never crosses the boundaries of sacrilege? And particularly when such disobedience is repeated over and over again?
 
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Wikipedia is not the best place to get CATHOLIC definitions, in other words, how the Church defines what Sacrilege is.

Modern Catholic Dictionary - (Servant of God) Fr. John Harden, S.J.
Sacrilege - The deliberate violation of sacred things. Sacred things are person, places and objects set aside publically and by the Church’s authority for the worship of God. The violation implies that a sacred thing is descrated precisely in it’s sacred character. It is a sin against the virtue of obedience.
The use of glass as a chalice does not violate the sacred character of the Blessed Sacrament. Neither does pouring it.

It does, as the Vatican noted, puts at risk the dignity of the Sacrament, and thus is a grave offense.
 
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