Wisdom 8: 14?

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I am reading Jean-Pierre de Caussade’s classic. In it they give this quote of Wisdom 8: 14.

The entire sentence is:

We can come and go, enter and leave anyplace we want to because we have the key of David (Rev. 3: 7), the key of knowledge (Luke 11: 52), the key of the abyss (Rev. 9: 1), in which are all the hidden treasures of the divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14).

Should I understand the abyss has the treasure of Divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14)?

If so, my translation shows no signs of this.

HELP!

Please help!

THANKS!
 
Seamus_Sully said:
I am reading Jean-Pierre de Caussade’s classic. In it they give this quote of Wisdom 8: 14.

The entire sentence is:

We can come and go, enter and leave anyplace we want to because we have the key of David (Rev. 3: 7), the key of knowledge (Luke 11: 52), the key of the abyss (Rev. 9: 1), in which are all the hidden treasures of the divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14).

Should I understand the abyss has the treasure of Divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14)?

If so, my translation shows no signs of this.

HELP!

Please help!

THANKS!
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***Hi, Seamus Sully!

I’m baffled… every single one of the Bibles I check has the same/similar wording:

I shall govern peoples, and nations will be subject to me;***
(NJB)

…how it was determined that the abyss is the place where the hidden treasures of the Divine Wisdom are deposited by citing Wisdom 8:14 is beyond me.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Seamus_Sully said:
I am reading Jean-Pierre de Caussade’s classic. In it they give this quote of Wisdom 8: 14.
The entire sentence is:
We can come and go, enter and leave anyplace we want to because we have the key of David (Rev. 3: 7), the key of knowledge (Luke 11: 52), the key of the abyss (Rev. 9: 1), in which are all the hidden treasures of the divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14).

Should I understand the abyss has the treasure of Divine Wisdom (Wis. 8: 14)?
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Chapter and verse numbering has not always been, and still is not, entirely standard. He must be referring to Wisdom 7:14
{7:14} Indeed, she is an infinite treasure chest for men, and those who make use of it, become partakers in the friendship of God, because they are recommended by the gifts of instruction.

The term abyss can refer to Hell, but it can also refer to the deepest places of the earth, even to the ocean depths. Wisdom reaches to the highest and deepest places of all Creation.
 
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I do not have any way to see the originals.

Are you saying that the word abyss is in the origianl of: “Indeed, she is an infinite treasure chest for men, and those who make use of it, become partakers in the friendship of God, because they are recommended by the gifts of instruction.”

THANKS!!!
 
The term abyss can refer to Hell, but it can also refer to the deepest places of the earth, even to the ocean depths. Wisdom reaches to the highest and deepest places of all Creation.
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The Jews believed that the earth flotates over the abyss sustained by pylons.
 
No, Seamus – I don’t think Ron means that, because abyss is a Greek word – in the Greek OT (LXX) the exact word “abyss” does not appear in the book of wisdom except in Wisdom, 10:19 – “but she drowned their enemies, and cast them up from the abyss”
In the Greek the word, “abyss”, pretty much means exclusively a “pit” or “grave” of sorts. (The grave where ships sank is the sea.)

I am not sure about the Hebrew, as I can’t read Hebrew. So, maybe someone else knows that part.

But I can tell you that there are three keys in the commentary, the key of David (which is the authority of Jesus ruling over all of us), the key of knowledge (which was given to the Pharisees, the knowledge of scripture/LAW – which they abused and caused people to die), and the key of the abyss or grave (which had to be unlocked by the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus).

The commentator appears to be saying that all three keys (which are Jesus in different ways) are hidden in Wisdom (which is also Jesus – the divine wisdom). The comment is a bit of a loose correlation, but Wisdom 7:14 is a prayer for those who seek wisdom (and therefore Jesus), and is the one which the Pharisees ought to have prayed rather than using their wisdom in guile. vv. Wisdom 7:13 – as opposed to what the Pharisees actually did: Luke 11:52. There are probably other ways to take the commentary, too. But that is all I know right now.
 
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