Wishing to be Protestant again...

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. They dont’ care about the truth of the Church. They love God
God is love, but God is also truth… I realize what you’re getting at from the “perspective of flesh”, but can I ask you to take a second, step outside the box and think about this one…

I don’t care about the truth of God, but I love him anyway…

Well if you don’t care about the truth of God, then what is it exactly that you love? A non-truth, which isn’t God… It’s a contradiction. Again I see what you’re sayng, but what it comes down to is you have to work at making your childeren see the truth of God, and love the truth of God. Again, I have the same suggestion for you as the OP… 1) Pray, I love the Rosary personally, maybe it’s worth a shot. 2) Get involved with some ministeries.
 
Hi, I chose that title to be somewhat provocative to hopefully garner people who could reply to this thread. I converted from Protestantism more than 10 years ago and I am happy to be Catholic. However, having said that I do miss much of the social aspects of a Protestant church. There were programs and bible studies for every age group; there were many ways of connecting to different people in your church–I had lots of friends in church and we would call each other up and do things together. There would be family picnics and other outings the church would sponsor.

In my 10 years of being Catholic my knowledge of truth has increased but at the cost of fellowship. I’ve been around 4 different Catholic churches in 10 years and all of them seem to be not much more than ‘Eucharist factories’ where you shuffle the people in, give them a boring homily, the Eucharist and shuffle them out until next week when you can do it again. The earliest youth group starts at high school.

I have brought some of my brothers and sisters in to the Church, but we all are beginning to pine for the days when going to church was enjoyable.

It does really appear to me that the Catholic Church, as an institution, does not foster fellowship anywhere near as much as the Protestant churches do. Am I wrong?

And before you say to me, “Well then, you get something started at your church!”, I’m trying to make the point that as an institution the Catholic church does not foster fellowship. I don’t want to be one person trying to roll a rock up hill, I want to be part of a Church that encourages fellowship.

As I mentioned before, I helped bring others to the Catholic Church, but now I’ve got a dilemma. My two kids, ages 12 and 13 are really complaining about going to our ‘boring church’ when their Protestant friends do all these really fun activities their churches sponsor. And I have an older son who may be considering becoming Catholic, but he has 4 children ages 1-6. I wince at the prospect of telling him he can’t put his children in Sunday School while he and his wife go to mass, but instead he has to keep four children under control for an hour while having to listen to a boring sermon. These are not show stoppers, but they really detract from giving incentives to joining the Church.

Any thought are welcome. But does anyone else see this lack of fellowship problem?
I hear you 100%. And I also still feel uncomfortable with Marian prayers on top of it. And I get the nagging in the back of my mind that though I believe there was Marian veneration in the early church but that the extent wasn’t as it is today. For instance every time we pray for someone at my parish we start with a Hail Mary and ask for her intersession. If the application of this type of thing was in the early church why no evidence of it in the NT or in the earliest of the ECF? I don’t see Clement asking the “blessed Virgin” to intercede for your church at Corinth. Nor do I see Ignatius requesting Mary’s intersession to help the smyrneans “see the light” with regard to the Eucharist. In fact the use of Marian prayers and intersessions are not evident in all these writings. So, I still have a problem with it. I also miss fellowship times where members would tell about how God was mightely working in their lives and the things he had done for them. My parish this type of discussion is limited. Mostly its about what people can do for themselves. I struggle with this every day.
 
I also miss fellowship times where members would tell about how God was mightely working in their lives and the things he had done for them. My parish this type of discussion is limited. Mostly its about what people can do for themselves. I struggle with this every day.
I’m so glad you mentioned this because I was listening to some old Journey Home recordings where Scott Hahn was a guest. Something touched me deeply in what he said yesterday (in this recording).

The Catholic Church is based on being in the family of God. He wrote a book called that was new then “A Father Who Keeps His Promises: God’s Covenant Love In Scripture”. I think this comes from his book but he mentioned this statement which really opened my eyes. Scott says this:

" I think about my own life, in my own family. My kids know me as a teacher, as a traveller, as a professor… they see all the relationships that I have, but I tell them one thing. Dr Hahn is what I do, Dad is who I am"

He goes on to say “I think it’s absolutely essential not to stop with what God has done for us, but to move on to who He is”. “How do you feel when someone only relates to you with what you can do for them?” "There’s no relationship possible unless someone is willing to get to know you in terms of your own personal identity, not just in terms of what you’ve done for them, or what you can do for them."


Now I’m going to kind of paraphrase:

"It’s ok to call God “Creator” “Redeemer” “Sanctifier” but that’s what God DOES, not who He is" God can’t be reduced to “Creator” because He was God before He created, He can’t be reduced to Redemption or Sanctification. That’s what he does, but He’s much much more than that.

"It’s great to thank God for what He’s done, that’s called thanksgiving, it’s a perfectly wonderful form of worship, but it’s a lower form of worship than what we call praise. We praise God for who He is, we thank God for what He’s done"


So fellowship to Catholics is a union with God, it’s a true fellowship with God.
 
I’m so glad you mentioned this because I was listening to some old Journey Home recordings where Scott Hahn was a guest. Something touched me deeply in what he said yesterday (in this recording).

The Catholic Church is based on being in the family of God. He wrote a book called that was new then “A Father Who Keeps His Promises: God’s Covenant Love In Scripture”. I think this comes from his book but he mentioned this statement which really opened my eyes. Scott says this:

" I think about my own life, in my own family. My kids know me as a teacher, as a traveller, as a professor… they see all the relationships that I have, but I tell them one thing. Dr Hahn is what I do, Dad is who I am"

He goes on to say “I think it’s absolutely essential not to stop with what God has done for us, but to move on to who He is”. “How do you feel when someone only relates to you with what you can do for them?” "There’s no relationship possible unless someone is willing to get to know you in terms of your own personal identity, not just in terms of what you’ve done for them, or what you can do for them."


Now I’m going to kind of paraphrase:

"It’s ok to call God “Creator” “Redeemer” “Sanctifier” but that’s what God DOES, not who He is" God can’t be reduced to “Creator” because He was God before He created, He can’t be reduced to Redemption or Sanctification. That’s what he does, but He’s much much more than that.

"It’s great to thank God for what He’s done, that’s called thanksgiving, it’s a perfectly wonderful form of worship, but it’s a lower form of worship than what we call praise. We praise God for who He is, we thank God for what He’s done"


So fellowship to Catholics is a union with God, it’s a true fellowship with God.
Oh yes ,Loboto-Me, our fellowship , our relationship with Jesus, not the fleeting fellowship we have with our fellow Christians on a happy-go-lucky level.
As time moves on for we oldies,and our loved ones and friends leave for a better eternal place, we realize more and more the Truth of the only perfect fellowship.🙂
God’s grace and peace, Carlan
 
It’s all about Jesus…Jesus wants us to be Hot not a lukewarm faith or in the cold hearted unbelief…I see the same passion for Jesus here among my Catholic brethren…The hot, cold and lukewarm are among us all…The closer we get the more we long for His appearing and to be released fro this mortal shell…I understand your passion at adoration…I know how you understand His presence, but I understand His presence when we gather also…A town I lived in had 24 hr prayer and I was in a 3 am slot where we worshiped and pressed in to the Lord with intercessory prayer…I was with 2-3 other women and Gods presence was palatable… He meets us out a passion to be close to Him…Even when my wife and I gather for our evening devotions, we relish in His presence and our closeness together as we go before Him with pure hearts…

I understand your alcohol aversion also. Even before I committed my life to Christ alcohol was a bane as experiencing my uncle dying from chirrocios of the liver and a hurt Aunt from his cheating…And as a teen someone trying to put alcohol in a coke that made me sick…Other instances of people medicating just to deal with life…If you had Catholic coworkers getting smashed on the weekends and saying they just had to confess and they received Jesus every Sunday and then it was party hearty the rest of the week…I couldn’t, as a new believer understand the reasoning behind it…Even the Catholic bizarre’s had where even the priest’s got drunk with the parishioners…I would read in the scriptures where we aren’t even to keep the company of those who are called believers yet continue to get drunk or continue in licentious behavior…Guess living in an Italian Catholic area can expose you to all types…Anyway, I am ok with the fruit of the vine without the alcohol…

As I said before, whether catholic, protestant or orthodox, He knows our hearts an our passion for Him and meets us there…When we gather together before Him to receive our rewards or lack of them for our works we done as unto Him…It won’t be about the church we came from , but about how we followed His will for our lives…We have a choice whether to live for Him or ourselves…The more flesh that dies the more He is revealed through us…

Before I finish , I just want to share a prayer request as I did in another thread…My DIL and grand baby were in a bad car wreck…He has head trauma and she is in critical condition over night…She is a fellow believer…Thanks…Grace and peace to you…K
Prayers for DIL and grandson. Peace and Gods grace for all.
 
good bad or ugly…

Our beloved parish priest was reassigned last year and the new priest is less than friendly (he actually turned away from me when I offered a hand shake to introduce myself when he first arrived!) The other parish we are close to–we are sort of in the middle of two and no one claims us when I asked-- is very liberal and casual and really not our thing. There is a cathedral about 30 miles away that we occasionally get a chance to attend for Reconciliation and Vigil Mass. But also, my husband has been working out of town (150 miles away) on week ends for the last year and I sometimes go with him. So the last year we have been going to Reconciliation and Mass when and where we can. The big loss was losing our priest who was so wonderful–other than that the parish itself is nothing to pine over. “Eucharist Factory” pretty much describes it everywhere I have been except for the Mission where I came into the Church many years ago, far far away.

So I have been trying to revive my faith life. Recently I discovered the CCR and I do not mean the band! Catholic Charismatic Renewal. I figured out that what I have been missing is the Pentecost experience and a personal relationship with God. Mostly my contact with this group has been online. (Google/Wiki it!) But the US headquarters happens to be on the route to where my husband works out of town! So anyway, for what it is worth, since we are usually home every wednesday, we are attending an interdenominational ecumenical Bible Study at a little church right down the street that was linked to the CCR associates! Because we do not go to the regular service on Sundays we are not as connected with the individuals, but there are about 6 families that come every wednesday.
They are from all backgrounds and still maintain their denoms while enjoying the charismatic ecumenicalism.

I agree that the Catholic Church needs to do something to adjust to the changing world we live in. Long gone are the days when the entire neighborhood was Catholic and you knew everyone and shared your lives–now unless you are related you do not even know another person in the parish even if you go for years. And Pancake Suppers and Prayer Groups and Cenacles are few and far between. (And don’t tell me to start my own–I have seen {–and supported–} 10 or 20 start in the last 5 years to fizzle out in a couple of months. I am disabled and cannot even get Communion brought to me–let alone find someone interested in attending Mass or a group who can give me a ride.)

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I hear you 100%. And I also still feel uncomfortable with Marian prayers on top of it. And I get the nagging in the back of my mind that though I believe there was Marian veneration in the early church but that the extent wasn’t as it is today. For instance every time we pray for someone at my parish we start with a Hail Mary and ask for her intersession. If the application of this type of thing was in the early church why no evidence of it in the NT or in the earliest of the ECF? I don’t see Clement asking the “blessed Virgin” to intercede for your church at Corinth. Nor do I see Ignatius requesting Mary’s intersession to help the smyrneans “see the light” with regard to the Eucharist. In fact the use of Marian prayers and intersessions are not evident in all these writings. So, I still have a problem with it. I also miss fellowship times where members would tell about how God was mightely working in their lives and the things he had done for them. My parish this type of discussion is limited. Mostly its about what people can do for themselves. I struggle with this every day.
Thank you for your post. It is exactly how I feel. I really miss the Sunday night services where everyone could share what God had done and answered prayers and just the goodness of the Lord.
 
Hi, I chose that title to be somewhat provocative to hopefully garner people who could reply to this thread. I converted from Protestantism more than 10 years ago and I am happy to be Catholic. However, having said that I do miss much of the social aspects of a Protestant church. There were programs and bible studies for every age group; there were many ways of connecting to different people in your church–I had lots of friends in church and we would call each other up and do things together. There would be family picnics and other outings the church would sponsor.

In my 10 years of being Catholic my knowledge of truth has increased but at the cost of fellowship. I’ve been around 4 different Catholic churches in 10 years and all of them seem to be not much more than ‘Eucharist factories’ where you shuffle the people in, give them a boring homily, the Eucharist and shuffle them out until next week when you can do it again. The earliest youth group starts at high school.

I have brought some of my brothers and sisters in to the Church, but we all are beginning to pine for the days when going to church was enjoyable.

It does really appear to me that the Catholic Church, as an institution, does not foster fellowship anywhere near as much as the Protestant churches do. Am I wrong?

And before you say to me, “Well then, you get something started at your church!”, I’m trying to make the point that as an institution the Catholic church does not foster fellowship. I don’t want to be one person trying to roll a rock up hill, I want to be part of a Church that encourages fellowship.

As I mentioned before, I helped bring others to the Catholic Church, but now I’ve got a dilemma. My two kids, ages 12 and 13 are really complaining about going to our ‘boring church’ when their Protestant friends do all these really fun activities their churches sponsor. And I have an older son who may be considering becoming Catholic, but he has 4 children ages 1-6. I wince at the prospect of telling him he can’t put his children in Sunday School while he and his wife go to mass, but instead he has to keep four children under control for an hour while having to listen to a boring sermon. These are not show stoppers, but they really detract from giving incentives to joining the Church.

Any thought are welcome. But does anyone else see this lack of fellowship problem?
Sounds like a prodigal wanting to return. Come home brother the fattened Calf awaits. 😃
 
In my 10 years of being Catholic my knowledge of truth has increased but at the cost of fellowship. I’ve been around 4 different Catholic churches in 10 years and all of them seem to be not much more than ‘Eucharist factories’ where you shuffle the people in, give them a boring homily, the Eucharist and shuffle them out until next week when you can do it again. The earliest youth group starts at high school.

I have brought some of my brothers and sisters in to the Church, but we all are beginning to pine for the days when going to church was enjoyable.

It does really appear to me that the Catholic Church, as an institution, does not foster fellowship anywhere near as much as the Protestant churches do. Am I wrong?
NO, you are not wrong. But, the way to promote the NEEDED fellowship is to remain, and work from within. IMO, married pastors with families BETTER UNDERSTAND the need to promote a family fellowship. Our celibate Priests don’t have the necessary skills, in many cases.

We may have to once again allow priests to marry, as in the early days of the Church. Also, many cradle Catholics have learned of Protestant fellowship, in their Protestant tenures. If they would return to Mother Church, they know what is needed to ‘wake up’ many uninspired Catholic Churches. Also, those Catholic Churches which are better at evangelical mission work, and some with Charismatic leanings, seem better at fostering the needed fellowhip.

We also need BETTER MUSIC, and inspired Choirs in our houses of worship.
 
Thank you for your post. It is exactly how I feel. I really miss the Sunday night services where everyone could share what God had done and answered prayers and just the goodness of the Lord.
Just for what what He can do for you? What happened to praise for who He is? You see God made a covenant for His people, we “sign” that covenant with the Catholic Mass where we take part in serving him with Alleluiah’s, Glory Be’s, and the Eucharist.

To enter into the “new covenant” we must follow our end of the covenant. God made covenants to His people in the OT, promises are not enough, that’s a contract, but a covenant is an oath.

Define oath : SACRAMENTUM. An oath; as, qui dicunt supra sacramentum suum.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sacramentum

The Sacraments are the oaths of the new covenant, which Church follows their end of the oath of the new covenant?

Like Carlan said: People move on, God is always there and ready for fellowship with us especially in the Sacraments. In the end that’s all the fellowship that’s important and not fickle.
 
Just for what what He can do for you? What happened to praise for who He is? You see God made a covenant for His people, we “sign” that covenant with the Catholic Mass where we take part in serving him with Alleluiah’s, Glory Be’s, and the Eucharist.

To enter into the “new covenant” we must follow our end of the covenant. God made covenants to His people in the OT, promises are not enough, that’s a contract, but a covenant is an oath.

Define oath : SACRAMENTUM. An oath; as, qui dicunt supra sacramentum suum.

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sacramentum

The Sacraments are the oaths of the new covenant, which Church follows their end of the oath of the new covenant?

Like Carlan said: People move on, God is always there and ready for fellowship with us especially in the Sacraments. In the end that’s all the fellowship that’s important and not fickle.
Sorry I didnot understand what your post had anything to do with what I said. I did not say what He could do for me. Vert confusing your post
 
I think that in our zeal to correct the OP and inform him/her that Mass is not about fellowship, we need to be careful not to overstate and say falsely that “the Church is not about fellowship.”

Oh, yes, it is!. The CHURCH is all about fellowship. We are part of a Body when we are in the Church, and the Body is supposed to work and play together, not separately.

Several people on this thread, as I expected they would, have reminded me that Jesus changed water into wine at a wedding.

**Alcohol aside, the point is that Jesus was a sociable human being who had friends and did fun things with them often. **

Yes, Mass is time to peek into heaven. We do this for at least one hour each week, and some are fortunate enough to get that peek every day.

But the REST of the week is for the Church to have fellowship in various activities with the goal of building up Christ’s Kingdom on this earth.

I don’t think the OP was talking about Mass as a “fellowship time.” As a Protestant, I know exactly what the OP was talking about. For a Protestant, especially an evangelical Protestant, all of life revolves around the church and the various activities. At least five days/nights a week, we were involved with an activity, either spiritual or social, with our church friends. It was so much fun.

Catholics who became Protestant and joined our Protestant churches would often give testimony about the warmth, the love, the fellowship, the friendships that they had found in our Protestant churches.

It wasn’t all about “entertainment” at all. That’s not what the OP is talking about. One of the best examples of “fellowship” that I remember happened in my Christian and Missionary Alliance Church in North Carolina. A young woman had lost both her parents within a week (Mom died of a heart attack, and a few days later, Dad died of a heart attack, probably from grief). It was devastating. A group of women got together–this wasn’t organized by the church, BTW, it was impromptu–and went over to her house and cleaned from top to bottom. That was pure fellowship, certainly not “entertaining,” and lots of tears were shed.

THIS was the kind of thing that happened all the time, every day, in our evangelical churches. People LOVED each other and they demonstrated it through practical actions. I think that’s what the OP misses, and I miss it, too. I worry that if my husband were killed, would anyone from my parish come over and sit with me? I KNOW that within minutes, my evangelical friends would have come, but I’m not so sure if the same thing would happen in the Catholic Church. I hope they would come.

Another example of “fellowship” in Protestant churches. When my babies were born, 17 other young couples also had babies within a few months of each other. We had so many friends, so many playdates, so much fun together just meeting at the park to watch our children play. And we all did things at the church to help our children grow up loving Jesus–some of us were regular nursery workers, some taught Sunday school (yes, we had Sunday school for two-year-olds, and YES, this is my younger daughter’s only memory of a “good” church).

I would describe Protestant fellowship as “rich” and “deep.” It was what I hope heaven will be like. I hope that heaven is NOT chanting and organ music and people rolling their eyes up and floating along.

I agree with the poster who said that in the past, parishes were actually “neighborhoods,” and everyone knew each other and had associations with each other throughout the week. I think that nowadays, except in the ethnic parishes, this kind of thing doesn’t happen anymore. IMO, the best way to find friends in the Catholic Church is to have children that attend the Catholic school attached to the church building. You meet lots of people your own age with simliar interests (raising their kids!) and simliar incomes, and you remain friends for a long time while the kids are growing up. Then when the kids leave home, you still have these people as your friends.

When you don’t have kids in the Catholic school, it’s harder to find people. I agree with many of the suggestions already made on this board–join a group in the church (not necessarily your own parish) that interests you. Bible study, prayer group, nurses group, gardening and church beautification, music, or whatever…just find someplace to start meeting people outside of Mass.

BTW, I think that there is a different kind of fellowship at Mass. It’s not about talking or playing or doing a project together. It’s about sharing in the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ and becoming one body, members of His Body. There’s joy in this Mass fellowship, and there’s sorrow, too, and there’s a lot of love for people that you don’t know, but who are related to you throug His Blood. It’s quite supernatural and thrilling. I urge the OP to ask the Lord to help him/her experience this “different” kind of fellowship during Mass.
 
Don’t be confused. I am Catholic and have not left the church, just liked my Protestant Chuch a lot.
Well, the Early Church also went to the Jewish Temple … at least for a time, til the Jews ran them off.

Perhaps you could still attend your Protestant Church on occasion, to maintain ties and encourage friends to come to your MASS and help liven up the fellowship. Yes, also get them signed up for RCIA 🙂
 
I just want to clarify that I am happy to be Catholic and have absolutely no plans of ever leaving. I know that it is the true Church.

Some have commented that I (or we) are supposed to choose between worship or fellowship. I think that is a false dichotomy. The early Church “gave themselves to the apostles teaching and to fellowship and to the breaking of bread and to prayer.” The true Church should have it all! We need good teaching, fellowship, the Eucharist and prayer if we are to grow to our full stature in Christ.

I am happy to hear there are parishes that do have it all, I hope those parishes can serve as role models and other parishes will follow suit. But I humbly submit that the Church will not move if the laity does not make it happen.

This is going to be more of a laity thing if it is ever going to be done at all.
Forward this thread to the Bishops … and the Pope. They always watch what the laity is doing/requesting of them. Great movements in the Church have been know to start in the laity. We can lead on occasion, and they follow.

Delete my post before sending to papal levels … 😃
 
Well, the Early Church also went to the Jewish Temple … at least for a time, til the Jews ran them off.

Perhaps you could still attend your Protestant Church on occasion, to maintain ties and encourage friends to come to your MASS and help liven up the fellowship. Yes, also get them signed up for RCIA 🙂
I do visit when I am in town and it makes me more homesick. I do maintain ties with them all.
 
My parish has a big cathedral that can accommodate about 1500 people at any one mass. It is bustling with activities just about for anyone, catering for anyone. The cathedral is always full at every mass, one has to come early, at least half an hour, if one wants to be assured of a seat in the pews otherwise it would be standing room only at the back.

Every Sunday there is always food sale at the parish center; you don’t have to eat out. There’s lot of fellowship; the place practically vibrant.

There are many movements – more than seventy at the last count; spiritual, social, prayer groups, Bible studies, youth, children, senior parishioners, women, cultural and art. Retreats, seminars and prayers gatherings are available every week organized by any of the movements. Very often there are big do, with international speakers/priests giving talk during major conferences.
You’re in the Philadelphia Church of Rev. — what is your city ?
 
When I moved down south from the north, my new parish was quite small by comparison to what I was used to.

That was twenty-four years ago, and I have seen my new smaller parish grow and increase in actrivities as new people moved here, joined, and offered their services and talents to the parish.

There is no shortage of times for fellowship, as well as groups where we can grow in our spirituality.

We have once a month family pancake breakfasts after Mass put on by the Knights of Columbus. The profits go to the needy of the parish.

We also have once a month donuts and coffee/lemonade for the families after Mass. This is another way to get to sit down and chat with our friends for about 1/2 hour.

Special events for most all ages are available. Over the years the teenage youth ministry has grown very much.

Ten years ago a woman began a spiritual book study group after Friday weekday Mass, and it is now attended by about fourteen senior citizens, and growing.

I don’t see a young, single adult group…but there are nearby parishes that have had them for some time, and they attend their gatherings.

The various women’s and men’s groups arrange for speakers at times, and those interested in the parish are welcome.

I haven’t even mentioned the other groups that have to do with growing spiritually----such as Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist that visit shut-ins in their homes or nursing homes, or hospitals, to bring the Gospel and the Eucharist to them.

Usually, our church Sunday bulletins include upcoming events in nearby parishes.

I am very satisfied with all the opportunities in my parish where I can get to know my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

I can understand that those who have just gone through RCIA needs to have more opportunities of being welcomed into the parish. This is a weakness we discussed in the recent past. Not all new Catholics are so outgoing that they feel free to just start coming to all the groups available to them. It is nice when someone befriends them and offers to take them.
 
Thank you for your post. It is exactly how I feel. I really miss the Sunday night services where everyone could share what God had done and answered prayers and just the goodness of the Lord.
Great idea … The Church needs one night a week for Prayers & Personal Testimonies. Bring along our atheist friends … to hear of God at work among the brethren.

And make it a pot-luck supper. That always is a big hit and ensures a good turnout … with the college students 🙂
 
Great idea … The Church needs one night a week for Prayers & Personal Testimonies. Bring along our atheist friends … to hear of God at work among the brethren.
great idea?
sure convince our Priest or most people in the church.
 
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