Wishing to be Protestant again...

[Catholicnow]

Catholics are frightened of it?! really! then how come i cannot get on baptist board or the fighting fundamentalist board to defend Catholocism, hmmm? what are they scared of. the Truth.

Why we they want lies polluting their board

 

[benidict]

Why we they want lies polluting their board

wow… is this all you got? just snippity little comebacks? i love going at it with you fundamentalist. a good debate is always nice. former baptist myself, so whos scared? wouldnt be me.

 

[JPCalifornia]

In my view this is much more likely in an evangelical or fundamentalist setting. I find Catholics and the more mainline denominations don’t have this mindset.

I know my friends who are more fundamentlist are not close to me now that I am Catholic.

It is because of their belief that you are no longer a Christian if you are Catholic. Catholics feel that all Christians are our brothers and sisters in Christ, whether Catholic or protestant. They might feel sad that one has left the Church, but I don’t see them disconnecting from the person.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

I have been close to my family for many years. When I started to go to a non denominational Christian church for their bible studies, I would try to share with my family the things that I was reading in the Bible but they would not want to talk about it with me. I kept going to Catholic Church with my dad but my family said that I would have to stop having communion with them. I asked them to come to the other church for different events but they would always say no and when I went with them to the catholic church I was forbiden to have communion. I love them but I also love my brothers in the Christian church and they say that as long as I believe that Jesus is the savior and Lord of my life I am wellcomed to communion with them. I feel at home where I am at but my family and I don’t talk much about the bible any more.

 

[tweetymom]

I have been close to my family for many years. When I started to go to a non denominational Christian church for their bible studies, I would try to share with my family the things that I was reading in the Bible but they would not want to talk about it with me. I kept going to Catholic Church with my dad but my family said that I would have to stop having communion with them. I asked them to come to the other church for different events but they would always say no and when I went with them to the catholic church I was forbiden to have communion. I love them but I also love my brothers in the Christian church and they say that as long as I believe that Jesus is the savior and Lord of my life I am wellcomed to communion with them. I feel at home where I am at but my family and I don’t talk much about the bible any more.

Sorry it happens It is too bad we all can’t be one in the Lord without so many rules and regulations. Just love one another is a good thing.

 

[Amy1966]

In my view this is much more likely in an evangelical or fundamentalist setting. I find Catholics and the more mainline denominations don’t have this mindset.

I know my friends who are more fundamentlist are not close to me now that I am Catholic.

It is because of their belief that you are no longer a Christian if you are Catholic. Catholics feel that all Christians are our brothers and sisters in Christ, whether Catholic or protestant. They might feel sad that one has left the Church, but I don’t see them disconnecting from the person.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette

Nice sentiment and exceptional in your experience, but have you looked around at here; many Catholics will say you are not a Christian unless you belong to the Catholic church. I believe I saw a current thread on that specific topic.

It is not that you “friends” believe you are no longer Christian; it would be they felt you deceived them as pretending to be a Christian. Remember that the fundamental Protestant believes in the persevereance of the saints, which was shortened to OSAS. So they will see you as never being a Christian in the first place.

I am not saying one way or another because I believe the gospel transcends all of Christendom. I have never seen a Protestant leave and begin going to a Catholic church; although you will meet it both ways on this site.

I know some people that have “split families” where one will attend a Protestant and the other a Catholic church and the children generally seem to go regularly with one of the parent’s church over the other. I have no idea how hard that must be because of the differences in doctrines between the two. Although the differences are changing as doctrine is set aside in favor of “unity”.

May God bless all of unto salvation.

Amy

 

[Amy1966]

Sorry it happens It is too bad we all can’t be one in the Lord without so many rules and regulations. Just love one another is a good thing.

Christians are all one with the Lord; the creation is just waiting to see it be revealed as to who are the actual Christians. I don’t think we are going to be waiting too much longer as the writing is on the wall and I say amen “come Lord Jesus come!!”

 

[tweetymom]

Christians are all one with the Lord; the creation is just waiting to see it be revealed as to who are the actual Christians. I don’t think we are going to be waiting too much longer as the writing is on the wall and I say amen “come Lord Jesus come!!”

And I agree with you and I am excited to see Jesus

 

[BernadetteM]

I have been close to my family for many years. When I started to go to a non denominational Christian church for their bible studies, I would try to share with my family the things that I was reading in the Bible but they would not want to talk about it with me. I kept going to Catholic Church with my dad but my family said that I would have to stop having communion with them. I asked them to come to the other church for different events but they would always say no and when I went with them to the catholic church I was forbiden to have communion. I love them but I also love my brothers in the Christian church and they say that as long as I believe that Jesus is the savior and Lord of my life I am wellcomed to communion with them. I feel at home where I am at but my family and I don’t talk much about the bible any more.

Since your no longer a Catholic I am sure you understand the reason you cannot receive Communion in the Church. If for some reason you don’t understand, it shows that you were never taught the Faith. This is sad, but this is why many people leave the Church. They really have no idea of what it teaches. You sound very young, your parents are trying to look after your good.

Why do you still attend the Catholic Church with your parents, if you feel uncomfortable not being in full communion with it anymore?

As a convert I have no desire to visit a protestant church. Everything I need spiritually I receive in the Catholic Church. Before I became a Catholic I studied and researched all the beliefs of the Church before I entered it. I already knew what my former church taught and several other denominations. I made a choice based on what I saw as truth and actual historical facts, not on emotions or the social aspect of it. Has your church given classes to teach you what their doctrines are? If so and you accept their teachings then try to be at peace with your decision and not try to force your family to attend events at your church.

In your church the Lord’s Supper is not the Body and Blood of Christ and I am sure that your father wants to protect you from defaming Christ in the Eucharist. In the Bible it states that to take the Body and Blood without decerning the true Presence it would be a sin. If you do believe that you are receiving the Body and Blood you need to ask your pastor whether your new church believes it is truely His Body and Blood, not just a symbol.

Also the disconnect between families losing a child to a church they believe is not the True Church is very difficult. It is in no sense the same as just friends you have met in church. It is a very personal and emotional loss.

God Bless

Bernadette

 

[Amy1966]

Gurney Halleck 1,

**You wrote: ** *I sometimes wonder, though, about people who are well-grounded in Scripture, who come to know Jesus deeply through these sermons, prayer, and who do his will compared to someone who receives the Sacraments and yet doesn’t know the Scriptures well, doesn’t know Christ in a meaningful way, and becomes robotic about those sacraments, which one truly knows Christ? *​

Well, the Catholic sacraments ARE more important than preaching, even good preaching. It is God Himself Who does His perfect work through them, whereas even good and orthodox preachers offer what is human and imperfect. Ideally there should be a good balance of sacraments and preaching, but at least, in these difficult times for the Catholic Church when disobedience and deviation runs amok in clergy ranks, there is an advantage in homilies tending to be so short: bad and careless preaching doled out in such small doses tends to have little effect on the laity, who still hear a LOT of the very words of Holy Scripture in the Lectionary and elsewhere in the liturgy. God works through his word (as objectively truly as in His sacraments), and that is something that does not get interfered with much in a less than satisfactory brief homily of erratic quality.

Given the choice, I’d go for the sacraments with no sermon or homily at all than for a sermon-dominated service that even has too great likelihood of introducing error.
Pax, Jerry Parker

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world also it {the word of truth or gospel} is constantly bearing fruit and increasing

In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it {is} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes {are} a flame of fire, and on His head {are} many diadems; and He has a name written {on Him} which no one knows except Himself. {He is} clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and ***His name is called The Word of God. ***

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Jesus would beg to differ with you; hope you got the message.

 

[mmsiciliana]

That is more to life than the Eucharist, strange as it is to find myself saying it.

Nope. “I am the way, the truth and the LIFE.”

Would you honestly advocate nothing but attending communion services all day? I’m sure you know vvery well that even for someone with no need to work, there is more allowed - more required even - than that.

Do you really have no friends? You spend all your time adoring the Lord Jesus? You attend Mass and that’s it–no other involvement with Catholic acquaintances and friends?

I’m curious about how this works. Do you recommend it to others–Jesus only and nothing else?

You may think I’m being sarcastic. I assure you I’m not. I know that there are people who truly have nothing except Jesus. My mother spent the last ten years of her life as an invalid, and she was alone with Jesus for many hours each day. But she did have family and friends who called and wrote her, and she also watched television and read books (until she couldn’t hold the books any longer). But there are other invalids who are completely along in this life except for nurses and Jesus. There are also prisoners who have nothing else except Jesus. I can’t imagine myself in these situations, so I appreciate knowing more from those who are content with Jesus alone.

OK, you are both not getting the point. The Eucharist IS Jesus Christ, body blood soul and divinity, the SOURCE and the SUMMIT of all Christian life. Why? Because He is God, and God created us (source) and God made us because He wants us to be united to Him forever in heaven(summit) (whether we are or not depends upon how we respond to His grace). Therefore, there is NOT more to life than the Eucharist because the Eucharist is God and God keeps us in existence. Without God, we wouldn’t have life; we wouldn’t even be here. And perhaps that’s the problem when it comes to discussing “fellowship.” Do you want fellowship with mere human beings, or do you want fellowship with God? By entering into fellowship with God, you have fellowship with all the other human beings who also are in fellowship with God–that’s what communion is all about. And those who have said we need each other are absolutely correct. We are members of the one mystical Body of Christ. When one member suffers, we all suffer. When one member is honored, the whole Body is honored. But many people neither understand that, nor have experienced it. Whenever I’ve needed help, God has put people into my path, but maybe that’s because I put God first–before my children, before my husband, before my parents, etc., etc.

 

[mmsiciliana]

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus and the love which you have for all the saints; because of the hope laid up for you in heaven, of which you previously heard in the word of truth, the gospel which has come to you, just as in all the world also it {the word of truth or gospel} is constantly bearing fruit and increasing

In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who sat on it {is} called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and wages war. His eyes {are} a flame of fire, and on His head {are} many diadems; and He has a name written {on Him} which no one knows except Himself. {He is} clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and ***His name is called The Word of God. ***

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,

Jesus would beg to differ with you; hope you got the message.

Jesus would beg to differ with you; hope you get the message. You believe in the word of God–the Bible. Catholics believe in the Word of God–Jesus Christ. That is what “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” means. It means that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity–the eternal Word spoken by the Father has always existed. It doesn’t mean the Bible is God.

And interesting that you would quote: In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise"
Listening, not reading. The Gospel in the early Church was spread by word of mouth. The New Testament as we have it today wasn’t fully compiled until the Catholic Church put it together around the year 300.

 

[Jerry_Parker]

Amy 1966,

I am not quite sure what your reply, quoting so much excellent Scripture, is about. I fully realise the converting power of God’s Holy Word Written. My point is that even if the preaching in a Catholic priest’s homily is poor, there is such a torrent of Scripture read at Mass, and in the rest of the Church’s liturgy as well, that God has ample opportunity for His Holy Spirit to work upon the assembled believers’ souls through God’s revealed and saving word. A bad Catholic homily that at least is too brief jto register much at all ust makes way that much more for the massive amounts of Scripture in the liturgy and for the free work of the Spirit also in the efficacy of the Holy Sacraments.

There is no real conflict between Scripture and Catholic worship – quite the contrary!

In a sectarian assembly (Baptist, Pentecostal, Cambellite, etc.) if the sermon is bad, there is almost no room for much of anything good soever, given how little Scripture reading there is in the freestyle services, especially now that C.C.M. music is displacing the good old gospel hymns that had real substance when they were not being merely sentimental (not all of it quite right in content, but positive overall).

Pax, Jerry Parker

 

[Catholicnow]

wow… is this all you got? just snippity little comebacks? i love going at it with you fundamentalist. a good debate is always nice. former baptist myself, so whos scared? wouldnt be me.

You’ll have a lonely time, I am not a fundie such as you are

 

[twopekinguys]

Why we they want lies polluting their board

Are you saying Catholics are liars?

 

[BernadetteM]

Nice sentiment and exceptional in your experience, but have you looked around at here; many Catholics will say you are not a Christian unless you belong to the Catholic church. I believe I saw a current thread on that specific topic.

It is not that you “friends” believe you are no longer Christian; it would be they felt you deceived them as pretending to be a Christian. Remember that the fundamental Protestant believes in the persevereance of the saints, which was shortened to OSAS. So they will see you as never being a Christian in the first place.

I am not saying one way or another because I believe the gospel transcends all of Christendom. I have never seen a Protestant leave and begin going to a Catholic church; although you will meet it both ways on this site.

I know some people that have “split families” where one will attend a Protestant and the other a Catholic church and the children generally seem to go regularly with one of the parent’s church over the other. I have no idea how hard that must be because of the differences in doctrines between the two. Although the differences are changing as doctrine is set aside in favor of “unity”.

May God bless all of unto salvation.

Amy

I have been on CAF for over two years and don’t recall any Catholic stating that protestants weren’t Christians. Could you please inform us of these posts, where we can read them.

There are Catholics who are out of communion with the Church who might feel that way, but that would be a small minority and since they are not in communion with the Catholic Church, they don’t represent Catholics.

You mentioned the Word of God being the Bible, that is not what the Bible was saying, it was saying that the “Word of God came down from Heaven and became Incarnate”, it is speaking of Christ not the written word. There was no written word for over 300 years after Christ died.

Please start reading the Early Church Fathers to see what the Church taught soon after our Lord died and Ascended into Heaven. It looks nothing like a protestant church.

You have made up your mind and that is fine, but you can’t push your beliefs on others, that includes your family. I am not implying that when you spoke to your parents about your new church that you were trying to convert them, but I find that most fundamentalist do just this. Only the Holy Spririt can convert a person. I would find it offensive if someone knowing I was Catholic would try to convert me. When a person does this, what they are really saying is that your not a Christian. I don’t know the circumstances in your home, but if this is what was happening, your family probably felt insulted.

What was your reason for coming to a Catholic forum in the first place? We are here to defend our faith and welcome anyone who has a desire to know what the Catholic Church teaches.

If you have cut all your ties with the Church I personally would not feel the need to try to impose my views on others. I would be content and at peace with my decision.

God Bless

Bernadette

 

[benidict]

You’ll have a lonely time, I am not a fundie such as you are

no… im a Catholic. you are the fundie. hey? how did you know that word by the way?

 

[Catholicnow]

no… im a Catholic. you are the fundie. hey? how did you know that word by the way?

You’d be surprised what I know

 

[benidict]

You’d be surprised what I know

then please… show me. im still waiting for an intelligent response. not just quips and snide remarks to my brothers and sisters. please offer some basis for your beliefs. Peace

 

[Catholicnow]

then please… show me. im still waiting for an intelligent response. not just quips and snide remarks to my brothers and sisters. please offer some basis for your beliefs. Peace

You don’t want me too, I know much more than an intellectual imp like you ever can. You bore me on ignore you go

 

[tweetymom]

You don’t want me too, I know much more than an intellectual imp like you ever can. You bore me on ignore you go

Are you trying to be rude? That word wasn’t a very nice word.