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HenryV
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Is it a sin to wish you were dead if you are going through intense pain, so to be closer to God and love Him more?
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Genesis315
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Many saints yearned to be with their Heavenly Father. But you have to be careful. Those saints had more of a hopeful expectation, but they were completely resigned to God’s will in the present. They did not wish to be dead if God still wished them to be alive. Rather, they wished to bear the suffering and pain He permitted them to bear because they acknowledged it as His will.
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Joyousguard
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First off, your life comes from God Himself and is a gift from him . If he wants you to be closer to Him, He will call you Himself, it’s His decison and not our own.
Second, many people have gone through intense pain in their lives. Read some of the stories of the saints, Theresa of Liesiuxe or Catherine od Sienna I believe. Each experience tremendous pain but through that suffering they were able to know Jesus better because He too went through incredibly suffering on the cross but previous to that simply knowing His own fate. The Mother Mary expereinced tremendous pain at watching her son on the cross. If your a parent you should understand this a bit more. Yet she did not pray for death, nor did Jesus or any of the saints.
Third, humans are always capable of loving God more here as we are. Even in heaven there will be room for our improvement upon this. We are perfectly imperfect lovers.
Our lives are not ours to take for they don’t truly belong to us they belong to God.
we can love God more by finding those who are intense pain as ourselves and serve them as well. The pain is a gift that deepens your faith and strengthens your spirit not diminishes your will and heightens your desire for death.
God bless
Second, many people have gone through intense pain in their lives. Read some of the stories of the saints, Theresa of Liesiuxe or Catherine od Sienna I believe. Each experience tremendous pain but through that suffering they were able to know Jesus better because He too went through incredibly suffering on the cross but previous to that simply knowing His own fate. The Mother Mary expereinced tremendous pain at watching her son on the cross. If your a parent you should understand this a bit more. Yet she did not pray for death, nor did Jesus or any of the saints.
Third, humans are always capable of loving God more here as we are. Even in heaven there will be room for our improvement upon this. We are perfectly imperfect lovers.
Our lives are not ours to take for they don’t truly belong to us they belong to God.
we can love God more by finding those who are intense pain as ourselves and serve them as well. The pain is a gift that deepens your faith and strengthens your spirit not diminishes your will and heightens your desire for death.
God bless
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Newbie2
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Not if the wish is “If it is your will for me to die. Lord.”
Is this a wish for the pain to end or to be closer to God. Seems like it’s the former. :ehh:
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dessert
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To be closer to God
Prayer to Saint Anthony Gentle Servant of God
Help me find ways to honor
God’s blessings by showing my
love for all of God’s creatures
Share your strength that I
may cope with the trials and
troubles of daily life.
You, through whose voice the
word of God was preached,
intercede for my need (mention
your special request here).
Powerful Patron, be with
me always and teach me to
reach out in love and support
to others.
Amen
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Joe_Kelley
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See 1 Kings 19. Elijah got pretty discouraged too.
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ryanoneil
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Have hope my friend. Suffering is a hard thing to understand. Offer your suffering up to God.
Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” Jesus defines discipleship as one’s willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did.
Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 - Jesus said, “if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Jesus wants us to empty ourselves so that God can fill us. When we suffer, we can choose to seek consolation in God and become closer to Jesus.
Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.
Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, “whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.
Rom. 5:2-3 - Paul says that more than rejoicing in our hope, we rejoice in our sufferings which produces endurance, character and hope. Through faith, suffering brings about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation.
Rom. 8:17 - Paul says that we are heirs with Christ, but only if we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Paul is teaching that suffering must be embraced in order to obtain the glory that the Father has bestowed upon Jesus.
Rom. 8:18 - the sufferings of the present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. We thus have hope that any sufferings we or others endure, no matter how difficult, will pale in comparison to the life of eternal bliss that awaits us.
Eph. 3:13 - Do not to lose heart over my sufferings for your glory. Our suffering also benefits others in the mystical body of Christ.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
1 Peter 2:19-21 - Peter instructs that we have been called to endure pain while suffering for Christ, our example. God actually calls us to suffer as His Son did, and this is not to diminish us, but to glorify us, because it is by our suffering that we truly share in the eternal priesthood of Jesus Christ.
God Bless you,
Ryan
Matt. 10:38 - Jesus said, “he who does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.” Jesus defines discipleship as one’s willingness to suffer with Him. Being a disciple of Jesus not only means having faith in Him, but offering our sufferings to the Father as He did.
Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34 - Jesus said, “if any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.” Jesus wants us to empty ourselves so that God can fill us. When we suffer, we can choose to seek consolation in God and become closer to Jesus.
Luke 9:23 - Jesus says we must take up this cross daily. He requires us to join our daily temporal sacrifices (pain, inconvenience, worry) with His eternal sacrifice.
Luke 14:27 - Jesus said, “whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot be my disciple.” If we reject God because we suffer, we fail to apply the graces that Jesus won for us by His suffering.
Rom. 5:2-3 - Paul says that more than rejoicing in our hope, we rejoice in our sufferings which produces endurance, character and hope. Through faith, suffering brings about hope in God and, through endurance, salvation.
Rom. 8:17 - Paul says that we are heirs with Christ, but only if we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with Him. Paul is teaching that suffering must be embraced in order to obtain the glory that the Father has bestowed upon Jesus.
Rom. 8:18 - the sufferings of the present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. We thus have hope that any sufferings we or others endure, no matter how difficult, will pale in comparison to the life of eternal bliss that awaits us.
Eph. 3:13 - Do not to lose heart over my sufferings for your glory. Our suffering also benefits others in the mystical body of Christ.
Col. 1:24 - Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.
1 Peter 2:19-21 - Peter instructs that we have been called to endure pain while suffering for Christ, our example. God actually calls us to suffer as His Son did, and this is not to diminish us, but to glorify us, because it is by our suffering that we truly share in the eternal priesthood of Jesus Christ.
God Bless you,
Ryan
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lak611
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Php 1:20 According to my expectation and hope; that in nothing I shall be confounded: but with all confidence, as always, so now also, shall Christ be magnified in my body, whether it be by life or by death.
Php 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ: and to die is gain.
Php 1:22 And if to live in the flesh: this is to me the fruit of labour. And what I shall choose I know not.
Php 1:23 But I am straitened between two: having a desire to be dissolved and to be with Christ, a thing by far the better.
Php 1:24 But to abide still in the flesh is needful for you.
Php 1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all, for your furtherance and joy of faith:
Php 1:26 That your rejoicing may abound in Christ Jesus for me, by my coming to you again.
Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be worthy of the gospel of Christ: that, whether I come and see you, or, being absent, may hear of you, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind labouring together for the faith of the gospel.
Php 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ: and to die is gain.
Php 1:22 And if to live in the flesh: this is to me the fruit of labour. And what I shall choose I know not.
Php 1:23 But I am straitened between two: having a desire to be dissolved and to be with Christ, a thing by far the better.
Php 1:24 But to abide still in the flesh is needful for you.
Php 1:25 And having this confidence, I know that I shall abide and continue with you all, for your furtherance and joy of faith:
Php 1:26 That your rejoicing may abound in Christ Jesus for me, by my coming to you again.
Php 1:27 Only let your conversation be worthy of the gospel of Christ: that, whether I come and see you, or, being absent, may hear of you, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind labouring together for the faith of the gospel.
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