Witchcraft - Paranoia or True Concern?

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Hello, everyone:

Recently, my mother’s sister moved in with her after a long period of “poor luck” and bad choices. My mother, being a generous woman (Catholic) with comfortable means, decided to take her in and support her while she looks for a job in the area. Eight months have passed: my mother’s sister has held three different jobs for as many weeks, and was fired from each one. She subtly coerces monetary gifts from my mother when her welfare does not pay her bills; she is in serious debt and is quite lazy, refusing to look for a new job. The situation is very distressing. Although I often talk with my mother about kicking this woman out, my mother always seems to extend her room and board by “another month” and continues to offer support money.

It is clear my aunt has a major personality disorder, including serious clinical depression and mostly likely a bipolar complex. Her mood swings wildly between extremes, and she is prone to sulk and hold grudges for minor incidents. The rest of my mother’s family has disowned this woman for her “parasitic behavior,” including my own grandmother and grandfather before he recently died (my aunt’s parents).

Sorry for the long wind-up, but I am concerned about this woman’s effects on my mother. My aunt has always displayed strange religious tendencies, including a great deal of “nature worship” and high regard for spiritual, but not specifically religious systems (think modern-day Native American practices). She seems to have an aversion to church, never having attended with my mother despite repeated invitations, and she refuses to pray with the family before dinner. As strange (paranoid?) as this sounds, I am extremely concerned my aunt might be a witch, a follower of Wicca who is using natural and demonic forces to tear my family apart and wreak havoc wherever she goes. In the 8 months since she moved in, my two sisters have distanced themselves from the situation and I am fighting the same urge. This distancing involves retreating from family life and avoiding situations where the entire family, including my aunt, come together. I hate to invoke the old stereotype of the “homewrecker,” but I fear this is what my aunt represents.

I have little hard “proof” that my aunt is a witch, but I heard a story about another family who took in a similar individual and was almost destroyed before the woman was ejected. It was discovered she was a Wiccan who actively sought to turn family members against one another. I am afraid a similar situation exists here, and I would appreciate the advice of the community about this rather serious problem.

Thank you for your time and consideration.
 
Hi. Although my case is totally different I think in the level of feelings i could relate to your mom. I had a brother whom we had been helping for the longest time until finally I said that we had to stop and let him stand on his own two feet. I guess your Mom has to draw the line sooner or later. Maybe she loves her sister so much that she wants to give her a second chance. But this can’t go on forever I believe. Perhaps God has a reason for this. Let’s pray that the experience will teach us a lesson about how we should be charitable to our fellow men. God bless!
 
Unfortunately, this is a matter that I know more about than anything. I spent 17 years in Occultism; but I have a feeling your Aunt’s issue may ultimately be rooted in her head…

My aunt has always displayed strange religious tendencies, including a great deal of “nature worship” and high regard for spiritual, but not specifically religious systems (think modern-day Native American practices). She seems to have an aversion to church, never having attended with my mother despite repeated invitations, and she refuses to pray with the family before dinner.

I would use the term “Nature Worship” delicately, because it really has nothing at all to do with Nature, but more so that the “Gods” and “Goddesses” are present in everything, so technically, it is the Polytheistic worship that you should be concerned with in that regard. A Polytheist certainly won’t tolerate anything Monotheistic, and thus won’t be interested in prayer or going to Church. In their minds, the world is their “Church”. Jesus is out of the picture (I must interject a side note - what we have been exposed to the last 20 or so years as far as Modern Native American practices: they are NOT a reflection of true Native Culture. I married a Cherokee. A Baptist one ;)). Some grow tired of it eventually and return to their good senses. Others don’t…

As strange (paranoid?) as this sounds, I am extremely concerned my aunt might be a witch, a follower of Wicca who is using natural and demonic forces to tear my family apart and wreak havoc wherever she goes. In the 8 months since she moved in, my two sisters have distanced themselves from the situation and I am fighting the same urge. This distancing involves retreating from family life and avoiding situations where the entire family, including my aunt, come together. I hate to invoke the old stereotype of the “homewrecker,” but I fear this is what my aunt represents.

Personally, I think her mental instability is the MAIN issue, but if she is a practicing Wiccan it can definitely add fuel to the fire. Those individuals tend to enable each other to go further down the spiral. Unfortunately I can’t assure you that if she indeed is involved in the mess that is Witchcraft (you should SEE what goes on in those communities - you think you’ve read arguments on these forums? You ain’t seen nothin’!!) that she isn’t using what they call “Magick” to influence the environment. That’s what they do, and yes, it’s very dangerous. It opens that door, and believe me when I say - it’s a door that is NOT easily shut. This of course is assuming that your hunch turns out to be valid.

I have little hard “proof” that my aunt is a witch, but I heard a story about another family who took in a similar individual and was almost destroyed before the woman was ejected. It was discovered she was a Wiccan who actively sought to turn family members against one another. I am afraid a similar situation exists here, and I would appreciate the advice of the community about this rather serious problem.

Believe it or not, Wicca is the least of Occult worries. Sounds odd, but there are far, far more sinister groups out there. Wicca at least has a code of ethics so to speak. I have known Witches who are beautiful, kind, wonderful individuals who would never harm a soul, and others who are as evil as they get. It depends on the individual, and their mental state - that said, I believe that is what needs to be addressed first and foremost. Her mental/behavioral health. It may have nothing at all to do with the Occult. She could very possibly have a serious chemical imbalance, which sometimes can mimic (and feel like) Demonic Possession. If you’ve ever seen an un-medicated Bi-Polar or Schizophrenic having an episode, you’d know what I mean. It’s bad. It’s destructive to themselves and everyone around them.

I think either way her mental health is at risk and your family needs to intervene and get her some help. Maybe she just needs someone to talk to, or medication to balance out her chemicals or hormones. How about Family Therapy? That is often easier than trying to force someone to go into therapy on their own. They feel singled out.

I hope this made at least a little bit of sense! :hypno:

E.A.
 
As one of the only witches on this forum, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the family’s problem, in this instance, is not one of spellcasting or magickal manipulation. Magick certainly can be used “for” or even “on” other people, but it is a much misunderstood art, even within our own community, let alone Christians who are either suspicious or terrified of us.

By way of example, I sometimes use magick to “call” people into my life. This is not summoning, nor ordering anyone to do anything. It is, in effect, the smallest puff of wind which alters their life course, or mine, by tenths of a degree, just enough to put them in the right time and circumstance to meet me. The “chance” meeting at a bookstore or social event. The rest is up to me, and ethically, the bottom line is that I never even try to tamper with someone’s free will.

Ethical magick, smart magick, then, is nothing more than applying small natural forces at the right moment, at the right tipping point or hinge, if you will. It is not a substitute for action in the “normal” world. It’s hard work. It can take months or even years to take effect, and even then, you have to be paying attention and very perceptive to know when it’s working.

It IS certainly possible for unethical witches to use this force to bend people’s will and manipulate them for money etc., but it’s MUCH harder to do than most people realize. It takes an extraordinary level of focus and discipline and enger. People who can do that are few and far between, and NONE of those folks are in the position of hustling welfare checks and living on their sister’s couch. People with that sort of magickal ability and ethical bent are the CEOs and politicians and cult leaders of the world. No, the aunt in this case is working with a much easier and more powerful force of manipulation: her sister’s love, the sense of family obligation, maybe even a little bit of Catholic guilt. I don’t mean to say that no witches are bad people, or that some crazy and manipultive people aren’t also magick users, but
 
Hello, everyone:

I have little hard “proof” that my aunt is a witch, .
do you need it?
you have sufficient proof that your aunt is manipulative, controlling, selfish and has alienated most of her family and that your mother for some unhealthy reason allows or enables this tendency. she does not need to be a witch for you to convince your mother she is doing nothing to help her sister, but is in fact prolonging her problems. It is highly unlikely she will listen to you if she has not listened to the rest of the family. YOu might tell her she risks losing you as well if she continues, but how this situation will change w/o prof. help is hard to say
 
I have an ex-friend who has severe mental problems, and I heard he was getting into witchcraft. It is a concern because he’s not thinking, and he could be hurting himself. It sounds like your relitave needs mental help, like my friend does.

-Jeanne
 
As one of the only witches on this forum, I can say with a high degree of certainty that the family’s problem, in this instance, is not one of spellcasting or magickal manipulation. Magick certainly can be used “for” or even “on” other people, but it is a much misunderstood art, even within our own community, let alone Christians who are either suspicious or terrified of us.
This is true on disagreement. I myself strongly disagree if your view on magic, but this isn’t the forum for debating it. However I do think the OP has gone into blame it on the witch mode.
 
I was in a very similar situation years ago. I had this friend who was always broke, always asking other people for help, and me being a big softy, I fell into the habit of giving her whatever she asked for, hoping that this time, she’d get back on her feet and take care of her own life. It never happened. I eventually had to break off all contact with her. Yes, I felt terrible, but it was the right thing. The sad truth is that her life got progressively worse the more I enabled her. What I’m saying is, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.

Anyway, my friend wasn’t religious in the least, (although her parents raised her as a Jehovah’s Witness). She was basically too busy thinking about who’s going to give her gas money, to think about spiritual concerns. I, on the other hand, was practicing Wicca, and doing fairly well for myself at the time. Years later, I suffered a lot of financial hardship, mostly because of credit cards and bank loans I ran up to help my friend out over the years. But I was so afraid of becoming just like her, that I never asked anyone for help, and tried to fix everything myself. Well, my mother (who isn’t religious, but studes philosophy) heard though the grapevine that I was being kicked out of my apartment for falling behind on the rent, and moved my stuff into her house before I could object. That was last month, and I’m actively trying to get back out on my own. I guess my point is that if your aunt is a parasite, then her religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

As for your aunt practicing witchcraft, I wouldn’t jump to any conclusions. I know a LOT of people who consider themselves spiritual but not religious, but aren’t practicing anything of an occult nature. My guess is that your aunt is taking a half-assed approach to religion, just as she’s apparently taking a half-assed approach to life.
 
I . I eventually had to break off all contact with her. Yes, I felt terrible, but it was the right thing. The sad truth is that her life got progressively worse the more I enabled her. What I’m saying is, sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
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I guess my point is that if your aunt is a parasite, then her religious beliefs have nothing to do with it.

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2 very true common sense statements
your concern should be your mother and helping her discern how her actions are going to a. help or hurt your aunt and b. help or hurt herself.
since you have not reported back my guess is you have given up, so now, we pray
 
It could be that your aunt has some serious mental issues that are partly caused by her practicing Witchcraft. I am no doctor but I think that it would be important to get your aunt to see a psychiatrist/psychologist, therapist, and possibly a priest.
 
a follower of Wicca who is using natural and demonic forces to tear my family apart and wreak havoc wherever she goes.
This lady is either Wiccan or a Satanist. Wicca is a not something that is evil.
 
This lady is either Wiccan or a Satanist. Wicca is a not something that is evil.
Wicca is evil, for you shall know them by their fruits. My mother fell away from the Church, became a Wiccan, and is now in a carnal relationship with a guy only a few years older than me.

To the original poster, do not treat Wicca lightly. It is dangerous.
 
Wicca is evil, for you shall know them by their fruits. My mother fell away from the Church, became a Wiccan, and is now in a carnal relationship with a guy only a few years older than me.

To the original poster, do not treat Wicca lightly. It is dangerous.
“thou shall not suffer a witch to live, for their evil ways turn young Catholic’s moms into cougars…”:eek:
 
Hi there–I’m a clinical psychologist. I also have bipolar disorder. You mentioned that this person seemed to be very moody and depressed. Her behaviors that worry you may be a product of her mental instability and not necessarily that she’s a witch. As a Catholic I would just try to love her and try to guide her to someone that can help with her difficulties. It’s fine if it’s not a person from your parish etc. In fact, it sounds as if she wouldn’t want that. I’m not trying to just boil everything down to say “she’s got mental illness!” because of my profession, but seriously, sometimes people who have bipolar get into very grandiose, weird, odd things and then get very depressed. And it very much affects those around her. Sounds like this person needs some help, firsthand. It’s unfair to go after someone for witchcraft if that person is facing lots and lots of snowballed difficulties. Love.
 
long story short–help the mental instability that comes with her facing so much cr4p in life. then worry about the weird stuff. mortal sin requires sufficient planning, intention, and will. you can’t do this if you’ve got a mental illness. for those that argue that the witchcraft caused the mentall illness–then treat the mental illness anyway!
 
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