Wicca is a modern rendition of the Old English wiċċa. Wiċċa is pronounced witcha.The people you know are not witches. Whatever they are, they are not practicing the craft. There is no compatibility with other religious beliefs. Now, I have to say, a lot of Jews seem to be almost completely secular - it’s more of a cultural factor than a religion, so perhaps a Jewish witch is not a contradiction in terms. I think your examples are of people who are confused, that’s all. There is no such thing as a Christian witch. You either believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, or you don’t - you can’t carry on practicing witchcraft whilst going to church. Well, you CAN, but you aren’t being honest in either world.
We are not going to agree on “Wicca.” That term was adopted/made up by witches in order to soften and disguise the previous terms. “Witch” and “Warlock” just didn’t have the right tolerance in the general public, where “wicca” and “wiccans” somehow did. “Witchcraft” could not be deemed a religion but “Wicca” could be, and was. It’s all semantics.
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mjb472012
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Wiccans aren’t Satanists. They are “Neo pagans”. Their nature religion was created in the 1950s by Gerald Gardner. They do not believe in Satan and view him as a Christian “invention”.
There are two different kinds of Satanists. Theistic and LaVeyan. LaVeyan Satanists are pretty much just atheists that use Satan as a symbol. Theistic Satanists worship Satan as a deity.
I used to be a theistic Satanist.
There are two different kinds of Satanists. Theistic and LaVeyan. LaVeyan Satanists are pretty much just atheists that use Satan as a symbol. Theistic Satanists worship Satan as a deity.
I used to be a theistic Satanist.
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mjb472012
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You are correct. But unfortunately there are people of other religions who cast spells. Wiccans aren’t the only ones who do that. As blasphemous as it is, there are “Christian witches” too. Look up Santeria. That’s a fusion between African religions and Catholicism. They use Saints to heal and harm via witchcraft. Witchcraft is a practice, not a religion. You can be a wiccan and not practice witchcraft.
What the heck?? What do you mean “witches can be of any number of religions?”
A Jewish witch?
A Muslim witch?
A Christian witch?
A Buddhist witch?
Are you crazy? Witchcraft is witchcraft, and it’s a pagan pseudo-religion. Nature-worship. Spell-casting. There is no such thing as “Wicca,” it is only witchcraft termed so as to make it into a religion, for government protection.
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mjb472012
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Believe it or not, you can believe in Jesus as the Son of God but still practice witchcraft. Its not right and is gravely sinful, but there are people who do it that way. Like you said, its not honest on either side. Not honest, but it exists. There are indeed “Christian witches”, they just aren’t faithful Christians.The people you know are not witches. Whatever they are, they are not practicing the craft. There is no compatibility with other religious beliefs. Now, I have to say, a lot of Jews seem to be almost completely secular - it’s more of a cultural factor than a religion, so perhaps a Jewish witch is not a contradiction in terms. I think your examples are of people who are confused, that’s all. There is no such thing as a Christian witch. You either believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, or you don’t - you can’t carry on practicing witchcraft whilst going to church. Well, you CAN, but you aren’t being honest in either world.
We are not going to agree on “Wicca.” That term was adopted/made up by witches in order to soften and disguise the previous terms. “Witch” and “Warlock” just didn’t have the right tolerance in the general public, where “wicca” and “wiccans” somehow did. “Witchcraft” could not be deemed a religion but “Wicca” could be, and was. It’s all semantics.
Remember, even Satan believes that Jesus is the Son of God. Some of his human followers know this too.
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gnosisofthomas
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So who gets to decide what the Craft is? A Catholic?
Could you define witchcraft for me, please? I think we may have different definitions, so I want to be sure we’re on the same page.
Many Wiccans actually prefer the term “witch”, which can apply to both genders. Most would never use the word “warlock” because they consider it to have pejorative connotations (I don’t agree with their etymology of the word, but that’s a different story). Wicca has very specific beliefs unique to it, with some similarities to other pagan religions. A Wiccan may or may not even practice witchcraft.
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gnosisofthomas
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I’ve always thought there’s not much difference between magic and prayer, when you get down to it. It’s the intent behind it that makes it evil or good. A witch can light a candle and recite some words and call it magic. We Christians can do the same thing, and we call it prayer. There’s no difference between the actions we perform, but our intent in performing those actions can make a world of difference!
We orthodox Catholic Christians pray to the only true God, YHWH, using meaningful words. You are a gnostic. Maybe gnostics have special formulas to communicate to their god that are similar spells, I don’t know.
Acts 8:9 But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one:
Leviticus 19:31 Go not aside after wizards: neither ask any thing of soothsayers, to be defiled by them. I am the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 18:10-14 Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: **or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard, 11 Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead. 12 For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming. **13 Thou shalt be perfect, and without spot before the Lord thy God. 14 These nations, whose land thou shalt possess, hearken to soothsayers and diviners: but thou art otherwise instructed by the Lord thy God.
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TheRealJuliane
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Nah, I don’t want to continue this conversation. I used to be a witch, so the history is personal, thank you very much. Just talking this much about it brings up bad memories and associations.
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gnosisofthomas
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Well, I used to be Roman Catholic and attended the Byzantine Divine Liturgy often, so I’m familiar with Eastern and Western prayer practices. Our practice in the Gnostic Church is the same as Western Christian practices… candles, novenas, rosaries, etc. We direct our prayers to the Father, Christ His Son, and ask for the intercession of saints.
My whole point was that the outer form of prayer can seem very similar to magic, it’s the intent behind it that makes the difference.
The gnostic heresy has been condemned by the Church just like the other heresies. If your saints are the Catholic Church’s Saints, they all condemned gnosticism.Well, I used to be Roman Catholic and attended the Byzantine Divine Liturgy often, so I’m familiar with Eastern and Western prayer practices. Our practice in the Gnostic Church is the same as Western Christian practices… candles, novenas, rosaries, etc. We direct our prayers to the Father, Christ His Son, and ask for the intercession of saints.
My whole point was that the outer form of prayer can seem very similar to magic, it’s the intent behind it that makes the difference.
Are you trying to convince me that a spell is simply a conversation? Whether they know it or not, conversing with false gods is conversing with demons.
St Paul says in 1 Corinthians 10:20, “But the things which the heathens sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God. And I would not that you should be made partakers with devils.”
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gnosisofthomas
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Heresy is in the eye of the beholder. I think the Catholic Church was wrong in calling Gnosticism heresy, so it doesn’t matter to me if they condemn it or not. I wouldn’t go so far as to call orthodoxy heresy, but I don’t believe it has the fullness of truth.
I’m not saying that at all. Are you telling me that the prayer of the Mass – transforming bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ – is only a conversation? There are different types of prayer, and some of them go beyond mere conversation.
One religion’s god is another religion’s demon. Protestants often say that you converse with false “gods” if you pray to saints… It doesn’t make them right.
The priest prays to God except during the Institution Narrative. During the Institution Narrative he speaks in persona Christi. Concerning idols being demons, I’ll take St Paul’s word (Holy Writ) over yours. I don’t care what other Christians or false religions call Catholic Christians.
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gnosisofthomas
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I totally understand! That’s my attitude when people call me a heretic.The priest prays to God except during the Institution Narrative. During the Institution Narrative he speaks in persona Christi. Concerning idols being demons, I’ll take St Paul’s word (Holy Writ) over yours. I don’t care what other Christians or false religions call Catholic Christians.
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mjb472012
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I believe there is. Prayer is petitioning a deity. Magick is raising, programming, and directing energy to manifest something in life according to your Will. Big difference.
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IanCorrigan
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An interesting thread, on one of the most difficult words in modern religion, occultism and spirituality - witchcraft.
I have called myself a witch, and a wiccan, at times over the years. These days I’m more of a Pagan, Celtic-type, though I still keep some practices that people call ‘occult’, such as vision-seeking, divination and rites intended to produce specific effects - i.e. spells.
In most traditional religions (as opposed to revealed religions) using religious means to work for specific, personally-willed goals is pretty normative. Whenever we compose a will or desire and work a formula of prayer and offering that we expect to convince spiritual powers to aid us toward that goal, we’re doing magic, and we’re doing religion, simultaneously. That’s quite normative in Hindu paths, as well as most indigenous religions. For some reason the Abrahamic faiths seem to dislike the idea.
The question of the definition of witch and witchcraft is a huge one, even in-house among Pagans and occultists. You can see voices here arguing for several positions, such as ‘satanic heretic’, ‘folk-magic charmer’ and ‘neopagan religionist’.
Rather than write a new essay, let me refer you to an old essay in two parts, at:
intothemound.blogspot.com/2009/03/witchcraft-word-and-figure.html
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intothemound.blogspot.com/2011/02/witchcraft-paganism-and-folk-magic.html
I have called myself a witch, and a wiccan, at times over the years. These days I’m more of a Pagan, Celtic-type, though I still keep some practices that people call ‘occult’, such as vision-seeking, divination and rites intended to produce specific effects - i.e. spells.
In most traditional religions (as opposed to revealed religions) using religious means to work for specific, personally-willed goals is pretty normative. Whenever we compose a will or desire and work a formula of prayer and offering that we expect to convince spiritual powers to aid us toward that goal, we’re doing magic, and we’re doing religion, simultaneously. That’s quite normative in Hindu paths, as well as most indigenous religions. For some reason the Abrahamic faiths seem to dislike the idea.
The question of the definition of witch and witchcraft is a huge one, even in-house among Pagans and occultists. You can see voices here arguing for several positions, such as ‘satanic heretic’, ‘folk-magic charmer’ and ‘neopagan religionist’.
Rather than write a new essay, let me refer you to an old essay in two parts, at:
intothemound.blogspot.com/2009/03/witchcraft-word-and-figure.html
and
intothemound.blogspot.com/2011/02/witchcraft-paganism-and-folk-magic.html
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Catholicism_2
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The filthy wicked evil wretches can only become witches when they consort with the devil or an evil spirit, anyway satan does not care whether or not the wicked bags worship him or not for they are condemning themselves to everlasting pain and punishment.
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Catholicism_2
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Those who practice this most foul art are going to rot in hell for eternity,
convert now go to an excorcist to rid you of the demons that take hold of you
remember a few short years is nothing to eternity while it may be enjoyable to practice these things now you would be wise not to bring the Wrath of God upon your Soul.
Convert now before it is too late.
convert now go to an excorcist to rid you of the demons that take hold of you
remember a few short years is nothing to eternity while it may be enjoyable to practice these things now you would be wise not to bring the Wrath of God upon your Soul.
Convert now before it is too late.
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Matthew_Cox
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hello all, i made an account here for the sole purpose of asking a couple questions without getting odd looks from a priest. I was raised presbyterian for 15 years, then converted to catholicism and practiced it for two years. in all of that time, I felt no presence of god in my life whatsoever. since then I converted to a wiccan faith following the teachings and practices of void energy (for those who might know what that is) and have felt more religious interactions in the past year than in the rest of my life together. I find myself wondering if this is because of the true metaphysical nature of the practices, or if it is simply because the parts of the mind involved in it are the same ones that religious feelings generate from. Overall i do wish to some day believe in the christian god again, but am hesitant that i may fall back into a godless feeling life again. Would anyone have advice on this matter?
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InJesusItrust
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Hindus get no free pass from me. They have no idea that the miracles behind some of their gods are due to fallen angels.
The sad part is that when Hindus do convert nobody is willing to believe their stories of demonic oppression while leaving the religion.
The sad part is that when Hindus do convert nobody is willing to believe their stories of demonic oppression while leaving the religion.
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KathleenGee
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I met a young woman who is wiccan and spoke a great deal to me that what she is doing is akin to the natural healing arts. She does not do spells. I met a shopowner in crystals and I had an encounter in the Church.
She told me that people who use crystals to manipulate events are evil.
I have a book called ‘Wounded Workers’, people who were in Christian ministry in the past 20 years, across the board, denomination wise. And they spoke how they were attacked by weird people in their ministry, how they were attacked, and how their problems were not recognized by their church administrators, and how they got the shaft in the end. Left their ministries.
There is a passage by a Satanist who said that his do not kill people. What they do is target the person and destroy the person.
She told me that people who use crystals to manipulate events are evil.
I have a book called ‘Wounded Workers’, people who were in Christian ministry in the past 20 years, across the board, denomination wise. And they spoke how they were attacked by weird people in their ministry, how they were attacked, and how their problems were not recognized by their church administrators, and how they got the shaft in the end. Left their ministries.
There is a passage by a Satanist who said that his do not kill people. What they do is target the person and destroy the person.
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