Witches Shun O'Donnell

[Holly3278]

Personally, I really don’t care if witches and Wiccans are offended by something like this. I am personally offended by what they do as well such as practicing magic and such. Witchcraft is evil:

2117 All practices of *magic *or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. *Spiritism *often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

445. What does God prohibit by his command, “You shall not have other gods before me” (Exodus 20:2)?This commandment forbids:

1. 
   *]Polytheism and idolatry, which divinizes creatures, power, money, or even demons.
   *]Superstition which is a departure from the worship due to the true God and which also expresses itself in various forms of divination, magic, sorcery and spiritism.
   *]Irreligion which is evidenced: in tempting God by word or deed; in sacrilege, which profanes sacred persons or sacred things, above all the Eucharist; and in simony, which involves the buying or selling of spiritual things.
   *]Atheism which rejects the existence of God, founded often on a false conception of human autonomy.
   *]Agnosticism which affirms that nothing can be known about God, and involves indifferentism and practical atheism.
   

1. 
   
   There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD; and because of these abominable practices the LORD your God is driving them out before you.
   (Deuteronomy 18:10-12 RSV)
   
   "You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not practice augury or witchcraft.
   (Leviticus 19:26 RSV)
   
   As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” And this she did for many days. But Paul was annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.
   (Acts 16:16-18 RSV)
   
   Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us have no self-conceit, no provoking of one another, no envy of one another.
   (Galatians 5:19-26 RSV)
   
   Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to pronounce the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, mastered all of them, and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this became known to all residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; and fear fell upon them all; and the name of the Lord Jesus was extolled. Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
   (Acts 19:13-19 RSV)
   
   But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
   (Revelation 21:8 RSV)
   
   And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings, and used divination and sorcery, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger. Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight; none was left but the tribe of Judah only.
   (2 Kings 17:17-18 RSV)
   
   "Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
   (Leviticus 19:31 RSV)
   
   "If a person turns to mediums and wizards, playing the harlot after them, I will set my face against that person, and will cut him off from among his people.
   (Leviticus 20:6 RSV)
   
   Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood.
   (Revelation 22:14-15 RSV)

 

[kenofken]

Personally, I really don’t care if witches and Wiccans are offended by something like this. I am personally offended by what they do as well such as practicing magic and such. Witchcraft is evil:

There shall not be found among you any one who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, any one who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur, or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer. For whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD; and because of these abominable practices the LORD your God is driving them out before you.
(Deuteronomy 18:10-12 RSV)

"You shall not eat any flesh with the blood in it. You shall not practice augury or witchcraft.
(Leviticus 19:26 RSV)

As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by soothsaying. She followed Paul and us, crying, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” And this she did for many days. But Paul was annoyed, and turned and said to the spirit, “I charge you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour.
(Acts 16:16-18 RSV)

Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, party spirit, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such there is no law. And those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. Let us have no self-conceit, no provoking of one another, no envy of one another.
(Galatians 5:19-26 RSV)

Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists undertook to pronounce the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “I adjure you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” Seven sons of a Jewish high priest named Sceva were doing this. But the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, mastered all of them, and overpowered them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. And this became known to all residents of Ephesus, both Jews and Greeks; and fear fell upon them all; and the name of the Lord Jesus was extolled. Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
(Acts 19:13-19 RSV)

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
(Revelation 21:8 RSV)

And they burned their sons and their daughters as offerings, and used divination and sorcery, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, provoking him to anger. Therefore the LORD was very angry with Israel, and removed them out of his sight; none was left but the tribe of Judah only.
(2 Kings 17:17-18 RSV)

"Do not turn to mediums or wizards; do not seek them out, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.
(Leviticus 19:31 RSV)

"If a person turns to mediums and wizards, playing the harlot after them, I will set my face against that person, and will cut him off from among his people.
(Leviticus 20:6 RSV)

Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates. Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood.
(Revelation 22:14-15 RSV)

That’s the sheer genius of plural democracy: You have every right to be personally offended by our religious practice, and we have the right to not give a rat’s posterior about that fact.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

I am beginning to wonder at the need or value of this entire line of conversation.

 

[OrdinaryMelkite]

Social compact and governance?

We consent? You must have a mouse in your pocket.

I guess what he is saying is that if some citizens oppose welfare, they must NECESSARILY have racist feelings. And white folk on welfare never get criticized. Yeah, right.
Same old, Same old.

I’m actually FOR welfare under certain circumstances----but I don’t tag people who disagree with it or point to its shortcomings or abuses as Racist or “Backward.”