Wither death penalty?

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Just shows the sickness of the whole business. No-one expected that a lack of drugs, of all things, would lead to a rush of executions.

Lamentably, instead of just letting everybody breathe, (what a crazy idea!) the problems witH LI are likely to lead to even more bizarre rubrics for legal killing.

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I skimmed the article and didn’t see a reason for the shortage of the lethal drugs.

However, my understanding is that the companies that manufacture the drugs are based in Germany and will not sell to the U.S. because of the drugs’ use in capital punishment.

Whether or not one agrees with capital punishment, I am not comfortable with U.S. states’ crime&punishment policies being set by foreign parties.
 
on_the_hill said:
I skimmed the article and didn’t see a reason for the shortage of the lethal drugs.

However, my understanding is that the companies that manufacture the drugs are based in Germany and will not sell to the U.S. because of the drugs’ use in capital punishment.

Whether or not one agrees with capital punishment, I am not comfortable with U.S. states’ crime&punishment policies being set by foreign parties.
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IDK about that, I mean, is there no one in the US that can make or supply this same drug?
 
mikekle said:
IDK about that, I mean, is there no one in the US that can make or supply this same drug?
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What I find inexplicable is how those states where euthanasia is legal have no trouble finding drugs that allow “doctors” or individuals to terminate a life. How is it that the local pharmacy can access suitable drugs, but states cannot? 'Tis a puzzlement.

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Ender said:
What I find inexplicable is how those states where euthanasia is legal have no trouble finding drugs that allow “doctors” or individuals to terminate a life. How is it that the local pharmacy can access suitable drugs, but states cannot? 'Tis a puzzlement.

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Because the drugs for whatever reason, are not made in this country, and the countries that do make them often oppose involvement in state executions.

State administrations seldom buy drugs, except for lethal injection. So the foreign supplier can easily nix an order coming from a state administration.

If a doctor orders a drug from overseas and does not volunteer information about euthanasia, or if the country involved does not oppose euthanasia, there would be no issue.

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GEddie said:
Because the drugs for whatever reason, are not made in this country, and the countries that do make them often oppose involvement in state executions.
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This is true of the drug mix states use for executions, but it is clearly not true of the drugs “doctors” prescribe for euthanasia procedures. If those drugs are available by prescription in pharmacies then they are available to the states as well. Using euthanasia drugs would seem to have an additional benefit: it would be much more difficult to protest the use in executions of the same drug cocktail given to “death with dignity” victims.

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Ender said:
This is true of the drug mix states use for executions, but it is clearly not true of the drugs “doctors” prescribe for euthanasia procedures. If those drugs are available by prescription in pharmacies then they are available to the states as well. Using euthanasia drugs would seem to have an additional benefit: it would be much more difficult to protest the use in executions of the same drug cocktail given to “death with dignity” victims.

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Well, when Dr. Kevorkian was active, he also used carbon monoxide as a euthanasia agent, and I believe that did draw some opprobrium.

While it would seem true that any compound used in euthanasia in this country would be available to state administrators preparing for an execution, methinks if it were that easy, they would do just that.

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Naaaah… rope is cheaper and can be re-used.

So, for that matter, is the axe.

I mean, knocking the life out of a perfectly good human body is hideous by nature. Why shouldn’t the process look like what it is?

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GEddie said:
I mean, knocking the life out of a perfectly good human body is hideous by nature. Why shouldn’t the process look like what it is?
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Except that death by lethal injection is about as peaceful way to go as there is, and once upon a time was opposed because of that very aspect.*Secondly, the very ease with which death is accomplished by drugs–undoubtedly adopted by the Legislature as an humanitarian effort–could lead to easier imposition and acceptance of the death penalty. Also, in light of recent world history, the painless manner of state-inflicted deaths could conceivably move beyond the death penalty to other forms of state-inflicted killings or state accepted killings, perhaps in the areas of eugenics or euthanasia. *(Oklahoma Bishops statement on capital punishment, 1983)
Talk about having to cast about for something to object to.

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Ender said:
Except that death by lethal injection is about as peaceful way to go as there is, and once upon a time was opposed because of that very aspect.Secondly, the very ease with which death is accomplished by drugs–undoubtedly adopted by the Legislature as an humanitarian effort–could lead to easier imposition and acceptance of the death penalty. Also, in light of recent world history, the painless manner of state-inflicted deaths could conceivably move beyond the death penalty to other forms of state-inflicted killings or state accepted killings, perhaps in the areas of eugenics or euthanasia. (Oklahoma Bishops statement on capital punishment, 1983)
Talk about having to cast about for something to object to.

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Look, amigo, you and I are (never[sup]3[/sup] going to agree on the rightness of the death penalty; lets both save our time.

To me however, it seems that the endless quest to make induced death “less ugly”, which led to such modern wonders as the guillotine, lethal gas, and electric chair, has brought only horrors and should be given up.

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Treating prisoners lives as if they were products with a ‘use by’ date is abhorrent. Rushing through executions on a conveyor belt simply because of an expiration date damages the dignity of all involved and gives a sickening image of Arkansas’ justice system. Rapid executions increase the risk of human error, and the drug they are rushing to use has already been shown to make prisoners die in agony
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That is just silly. The modern US legal system requires a ridiculously long time between conviction and execution.
 
It shows you how modern Europe is compared to the US. The US prescibes barbaric practices while at the same time it is so technologically backward that it can’t actually make said tools for carrying out said barbaric practice.
 
reader124 said:
It shows you how modern Europe is compared to the US. The US prescibes barbaric practices while at the same time it is so technologically backward that it can’t actually make said tools for carrying out said barbaric practice.
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Oh, we could make them, we just hadn’t anticipated this specific situation.

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reader124 said:
It shows you how modern Europe is compared to the US. The US prescibes barbaric practices while at the same time it is so technologically backward that it can’t actually make said tools for carrying out said barbaric practice.
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The death penalty isn’t barbaric. Maybe beheadings as the form are. If so that is going to be getting popular in Europe soon enough.
 
exnihilo said:
The death penalty isn’t barbaric. Maybe beheadings as the form are. If so that is going to be getting popular in Europe soon enough.
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And, pray do tell, how is that the fault of Europe? It was America that has armed “rebels” against any ligitimate “authoritarian” middle eastern country since the 1960’s in an effort to weaken and destablize the region.
Think about ISIS. What would have happened to ISIS without US interference?
They would have fought a battle for aproximately 30 minutes against Iraqi Republican Guard T72 tanks and that would have been the end of them.
 
reader124 said:
And, pray do tell, how is that the fault of Europe? It was America that has armed “rebels” against any ligitimate “authoritarian” middle eastern country since the 1960’s in an effort to weaken and destablize the region.
Think about ISIS. What would have happened to ISIS without US interference?
They would have fought a battle for aproximately 30 minutes against Iraqi Republican Guard T72 tanks and that would have been the end of them.
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I agree the US has at times sown disorder within the imposed ME countries created by Europe. But Europe’s immigration policy is entirely her own fault.
 
GEddie said:
Look, amigo, you and I are (never[sup]3[/sup] going to agree on the rightness of the death penalty; lets both save our time.

To me however, it seems that the endless quest to make induced death “less ugly”, which led to such modern wonders as the guillotine, lethal gas, and electric chair, has brought only horrors and should be given up.
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I actually don’t argue for capital punishment all that often. Mostly what I do is rebut the arguments used by those who oppose it, like the one that lethal injection is a violent or hideous way to die. It isn’t. It’s really about as peaceful a way to go as is possible. Whether that is a necessarily a good thing or not is a different discussion.

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