I’d have to disagree. Look at America: yes it’s not Europe like you stated but we have sex ed, we have permissive abortion laws, and yet we have a high rate of abortion. So permissive abortion laws do make it more prevalent.Its a subjective argument. On one hand you could argue that western European Countries that have high Sex Education and services also have low abortions, then you have Poland and Ireland who have very low abortions and have strict laws on the issue. It really all depends on how you spin your facts.
As for whether I think its true or not? It depends on the culture really.
A possible resource for you is Theology of the Body by Pope John Paul II. The book is a hefty one. It might serve you to get a study book about it. There is also a version on video. Also, Jason and Crystalina Evert have a presentation called Romance Without Regret. While not directly addressing contraception it is a good presentation about chastity.I’m having a back-and-forth debate over whether contraception leads to abortion. I argued that it does but the other person in the debate is arguing that contraception does not lead to abortion. Unfortunately I have hit a wall and I cannot counter her arguments.
Here is what she has said recently which I am struggling to find an answer for:
*Without contraceptions we would have more abortions! I know that for a fact because people who do not agree with sex within marriage are going to have sex anyway. I respect everyone’s beliefs. I don’t believe it the best thing in the world to do but everyone is entitled to there own beliefs. Sex is a very strong biological pull that is hard to ignore. We are built to want to have sex. You can’t ignore that no matter how much you try. At least with contraception there are fewer chances of abortions and spread disease.
I sorry but I don’t agree with you on natural family planning either. Natural family planning is contraception. There or no physical means that prevents pregency but it is the same idea as contraception. Having sex without getting pregenant. You can put whatever dogma and beliefs you want behind it but it is still that same idea as contraception. Any contraception can fail and allow for God’s infulence just like natural family planning. Natural family planning dictates as much to God as contraception.
I also hate to brake it too you but abortion happens weither someone is married or not.
I have a more practical few of procreation and how people should live there lives. I know you keep giving me articles to read but I’d rather hear your views and thoughts but if all your going to do is recycle what you have heard the church said then this is not a debate.
As for my last comment on NFP. If it is only for grave reasons they why do they teach it to every couple that is going through marriage counseling?*
How do I counter this? She is a mother and has obviously had sex before, whereas I (as an unmarried man) have no experience with sex, marriage, and children.
The US sex education is absolutly horrible, it starts too late, and parents are to afraid to say anything about it. Most kids are already sexual active before they are taught in school or a parent mentions it. We have to stop ignoring reality, somebody is going to teach our kids about sex in one way or another.I’d have to disagree. Look at America: yes it’s not Europe like you stated but we have sex ed, we have permissive abortion laws, and yet we have a high rate of abortion. So permissive abortion laws do make it more prevalent.
In the perfect world the state would not teach anything about sex to our children, but we do not live in a perfect world. The state does not teach enough or early enough about sex education, I remember when I went through sex ed in school half the class was already sexual active and this was close to 25yr ago, its just as bad today.The US sex education is absolutly horrible, it starts too late,
Well, it depends on what you mean by “sex education.” I assume that it means being taught about how your body’s reproductive system works, what sexual intercourse is, how it leads to pregnancy, and how to avoid pregnancy.
Obviously for conscientious Catholics and other Christians, this cannot be separated from chastity education – and chastity education really can’t be separated from general “character education” in general.
The problem with public school sex ed is that they have to leave the chastity and character education part out, and as a result, you get a curriculum that assumes all “normal” teens are sexually active, which means anyone who practices chastity will immediately be tagged as not “normal.”
No matter what age “sex education” starts at, it MUST be preceded and accompanied by chastity education.
Most people who are having sex outside of marriage are not using prophylatics, they use abortion as a prophylatic, or they bring children into the world , & could care less about them. The same goes within marriage. over 50% of babies are born out of wedlock, proving that there is no contraception being widely used.Ask her to explain how, in the 40 years that contraceptives have become widely available, the rate of abortions has skyrocketed as compared to the rate of abortions before the widespread availability of contraception.
I was a teen when they tried to pull that line on us women, about how abortions were to be ‘rare’ and how education and contraception would ensure that the only children born would be ‘wanted’ children.
Hmmm, you could also ask her to explain the skyrocketing rates of child abuse, neglect, abandonment etc. in the last 40 years. With the availability of contraception and abortion, you’d have thought child abuse would be less than it was ‘before’ these ‘gifts’. . .
But there has never really been a time when casual sex was decreased. So is it ok to try at impossibilities or accept a reality.The stats for most countries would prove her wrong. My country for example has had comphrensive sex ed and free or very cheap contraception available for years, but abortion numbers are increasing, occasionally there’s a dip and a plato, but then it just shoots back up again - and usually in the year when there’s a big BC campaign.
Its logical, BC is not 100%, so more people have more sex thinking their BC is protecting them, but more sex with more BC will lead to more failures just a stastical happening, so most will then head for more abortions.
The only way to decrease abortions and decrease BC use is to decrease casual sex.
In this province, sex education begins in kindergarten. I really think that’s the earliest it can get, since the government has very little control over what goes on in the pre-schools and the day cares.In the perfect world the state would not teach anything about sex to our children, but we do not live in a perfect world. The state does not teach enough or early enough about sex education, I remember when I went through sex ed in school half the class was already sexual active and this was close to 25yr ago, its just as bad today.
Yes there is - it’s just that those particular people are having more sex than the odds allow them with the particular method they are using. (which would be more than 99 times a year, in the case of the pill, or more than 60 times a year, in the case of condoms).Most people who are having sex outside of marriage are not using prophylatics, they use abortion as a prophylatic, or they bring children into the world , & could care less about them. The same goes within marriage. over 50% of babies are born out of wedlock, proving that there is no contraception being widely used.
Depending on what the curriculum is, I think that’s fine.In this province, sex education begins in kindergarten. I really think that’s the earliest it can get, since the government has very little control over what goes on in the pre-schools and the day cares.