Woman Jailed After Reporting Rape

[BioCatholic]

**TAMPA (Jan. 30) - A woman who told police she had been raped was jailed for two days after officers found an old warrant accusing her of failing to pay restitution for a 2003 theft arrest.

While she was behind bars, according to the college student’s attorney, a jail worker refused to give her a second dose of the morning-after contraceptive pill because of the worker’s religious convictions.

The 21-year-old woman was released Monday only after attorney Vic Moore reported her plight to the local media.**

news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/woman-jailed-after-reporting-rape/n20070130154509990001

Well, I have had enough of gullible people, who actually believe the claim that the morning after pill prevents an egg from implanting, and then force that view onto another person.

I, along with many other people, have filed a formal complaint with the Florida Department of Health against this “worker”, i.e. a nurse or medic, to have their license revoked. I am also filing a criminal complaint with the FDLE. It just has to stop. Even the pharmaceutical companies have publically stated that the MAP prevents implantation is out and out speculation, with almost no data to back it up.

MD’s, just are not educated enough, or trained well enough to do reliable scientific research. That is why a PHD is considered a higher degree. Because of the ineptness of clinical researchers and the biotech companies greediness and desire to “talk up” their product, rape victims are now being punished based on the wild claim the the MAP “might” prevent implantation.

 

[jediliz]

The morning after pill is a HIGH dose birth control pill. In case you didn’t know, the birth control pill has a backup mechanism that is designed to prevent implantation if conception takes place.

I say Good job to the woman or man that refused to give the MAP to this woman! Stand up for your beliefs!

 

[CNCIBC9]

**TAMPA (Jan. 30) - A woman who told police she had been raped was jailed for two days after officers found an old warrant accusing her of failing to pay restitution for a 2003 theft arrest.

While she was behind bars, according to the college student’s attorney, a jail worker refused to give her a second dose of the morning-after contraceptive pill because of the worker’s religious convictions**.

The 21-year-old woman was released Monday only after attorney Vic Moore reported her plight to the local media.

news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/woman-jailed-after-reporting-rape/n20070130154509990001

Well, I have had enough of gullible people, who actually believe the claim that the morning after pill prevents an egg from implanting, and then force that view onto another person.

I, along with many other people, have filed a formal complaint with the Florida Department of Health against this “worker”, i.e. a nurse or medic, to have their license revoked. I am also filing a criminal complaint with the FDLE. It just has to stop. Even the pharmaceutical companies have publically stated that the MAP prevents implantation is out and out speculation, with almost no data to back it up.

**MD’s, just are not educated enough, or trained well enough to do reliable scientific research. That is why a PHD is considered a higher degree. ** Because of the ineptness of clinical researchers and the biotech companies greediness and desire to “talk up” their product, rape victims are now being punished based on the wild claim the the MAP “might” prevent implantation.

MDs are completely different than PHDs and you can’t really say one is a higher degree than the other.

On topic, however: rape is such a touchy case but life is still life and nobody has the right to end it prematurely except God. So while the circumstance was terrible, I agree with the intention.

 

[BioCatholic]

The morning after pill is a HIGH dose birth control pill. In case you didn’t know, the birth control pill has a backup mechanism that is designed to prevent implantation if conception takes place.

I say Good job to the woman or man that refused to give the MAP to this woman! Stand up for your beliefs!

Please provide, peer-reviewed, reliable scientific evidence. Even the manufacturers of birth control pills admit that prevention of implantation is speculative at best.

Therefore, the burden of proof lies on the opposing side to provide clear and convincing scientific data that these pills are necessary and sufficient to prevent implantation.

It would literally take years and years to definitively demonstrate that preventation of implantation occurs. The notion alone that it “might” happen does not justify refusing to provide it to others when required.

We rely on the null hypothesis until the hypothesis that preventation of implantation occurs is proven. Therefore, preventation of implantation might occur, but we really do not know, so until it is definitively shown, these pills are not abortofacients. End of story.

 

[hoosiertoo]

What does holding her on a warrant have to do with her complaint of rape? Being the victim of one crime doesn’t give her a pass on the other.

If the worker who was designated to pass out the “morning after” abortifacient didn’t feel he/she could do the job in good conscience he/she shouldn’t have been in that position. If I believe that dispensing alcohol is an inherently sinful act, then I probably shouldn’t accept a job as a bartender with the expectation that I’d only mix non-alcoholic drinks.

Much better to separate the issues.

 

[nobody]

We rely on the null hypothesis until the hypothesis that preventation of implantation occurs is proven. Therefore, preventation of implantation might occur, but we really do not know, so until it is definitively shown, these pills are not abortofacients. End of story.

Then you are saying the MAP is “just” a birth control pill, i.e. preventing fertilization of the egg? Even if that is the case, the worker could have religious beliefs that even that purpose of the pill is wrong.

 

[Orogeny]

I am also filing a criminal complaint with the FDLE.

What standing do you have to file a CRIMINAL complaint? Were you injured?

Peace

Tim

 

[rlg94086]

I agree. In the case of a pharmacist who doesn’t believe in dispensing abortificants, I have no problem. There are other pharmacies and/or pharmacists the customer can see to get what they want.

However, in this case, we are talking about someone who is incarcerated…she could not go anywhere else. While I abhor the morning after pill, it is not right for a worker at a jail to deny someone a legal substance on religious grounds.

If the worker who was designated to pass out the “morning after” abortifacient didn’t feel he/she could do the job in good conscience he/she shouldn’t have been in that position. If I believe that dispensing alcohol is an inherently sinful act, then I probably shouldn’t accept a job as a bartender with the expectation that I’d only mix non-alcoholic drinks.

Much better to separate the issues.

 

[st_lucy]

MD’s, just are not educated enough, or trained well enough to do reliable scientific research. That is why a PHD is considered a higher degree. Because of the ineptness of clinical researchers and the biotech companies greediness and desire to “talk up” their product, rape victims are now being punished based on the wild claim the the MAP “might” prevent implantation.

OT
MDs Have the highest degree attainable in their field (medicine)
PhDs Have the highest degree attainable in their field Philosophy in area of study.
JD Juris Doctor has the highest degree attainable in their field (attorney)

All of the above are experts in their respectable fields. All have the same amount of education in their fields. So in a nutshell all are the same. (of course if you ask my husband who is a PhD he will say his is the best )

Okay back to the topic.

 

[Benedictus]

There isn’t really any reliable evidence that the morning after pill prevents implantation. There were some studies from the 1970-80s indicating that the Pill caused changes in the endometrium that could prevent implantation, but more recent research has cast considerable doubt on this.

I posted these studies in a similar thread some time ago:

Pituitary-ovarian function following the standard levonorgestrel emergency contraceptive dose or a single 0.75-mg dose given on the days preceding ovulation.

Post-coital administration of levonorgestrel does not interfere with post-fertilization events in the new-world monkey Cebus apella

I am well aware that manufactures often mention the possiblity that emergency contraception and the Pill may prevent implantation, but that is not evidence that these drugs actually do prevenct implantation.

 

[hoosiertoo]

There isn’t really any reliable evidence that the morning after pill prevents implantation. There were some studies from the 1970-80s indicating that the Pill caused changes in the endometrium that could prevent implantation, but more recent research has cast considerable doubt on this.

In this case, it isn’t the actual properties of the pill that are the problem, it is the perception. If the purpose of the treatment was to cause an abortion (prevent implantation) then the medication’s properties are irrelevant. The person who withheld treatment did so under an assumption, however true or untrue.

 

[Atreyu]

Please provide, peer-reviewed, reliable scientific evidence. Even the manufacturers of birth control pills admit that prevention of implantation is speculative at best.

Therefore, the burden of proof lies on the opposing side to provide clear and convincing scientific data that these pills are necessary and sufficient to prevent implantation.

It would literally take years and years to definitively demonstrate that preventation of implantation occurs. The notion alone that it “might” happen does not justify refusing to provide it to others when required.

We rely on the null hypothesis until the hypothesis that preventation of implantation occurs is proven. Therefore, preventation of implantation might occur, but we really do not know, so until it is definitively shown, these pills are not abortofacients. End of story.

Very simply, we have three cases here:

1. 
   *]The MAP prevents implantation.
   *]The MAP definitely does not prevent implantation.
   *]The MAP may or may not prevent implantation.
   
   I think most people would agree that case number 3 is the current situation. If this is so, there is absolutely no way that we can condone the use of the MAP, as it may be an abortifacient. The burden of proof actually lies on you to prove that case number 2 is the situation; it is not on us to show that case number 1 is the situation. Why? Well - assuming you are pro-life - would you really want to risk an abortion without proof that the MAP cannot cause abortion?

 

[Holly3278]

I applaud the person for not giving the second dose of the morning after pill!

 

[Firefox]

Sure, we do, but the question is whether it was legal.

 

[hlmem]

I applaud the person for not giving the second dose of the morning after pill!

I disagree. If anyone here was ever in a car accident and wanted a blood transfusion, May you pray that you do not get a doctor that does not believe in them fro religious resaons.

Because by the time you get a doctor who will it might be too late.

 

[fix]

Very simply, we have three cases here:

1. 
   *]The MAP prevents implantation.
   *]The MAP definitely does not prevent implantation.
   *]The MAP may or may not prevent implantation.
   I think most people would agree that case number 3 is the current situation. If this is so, there is absolutely no way that we can condone the use of the MAP, as it may be an abortifacient. The burden of proof actually lies on you to prove that case number 2 is the situation; it is not on us to show that case number 1 is the situation. Why? Well - assuming you are pro-life - would you really want to risk an abortion without proof that the MAP cannot cause abortion?

1. 
   Exactly right. There is indirect evidence it is abortifacient. That alone is enough to declare it is wrong. Why error on the side of possible abortion?

 

[Rand_Al_Thor]

I disagree. If anyone here was ever in a car accident and wanted a blood transfusion, May you pray that you do not get a doctor that does not believe in them fro religious resaons.

Because by the time you get a doctor who will it might be too late.

Pax tecum!

That is not a valid comparison because the worker who refused to give the morning after pill did so because he/she was trying to protect a life that was possibly inside the woman. A doctor who refuses to give a blood transfusion is not doing so to save someone’s life. Also, the woman not getting the morning after pill did not kill her, whereas refusing a blood transfusion would have killed the other person. Nothing bad happened to the woman because she didn’t get her morning after pill.

In Christ,
Rand

 

[Benedictus]

Exactly right. There is indirect evidence it is abortifacient. That alone is enough to declare it is wrong. Why error on the side of possible abortion?

Can you explain what some of this indirect evidence is? Is there a peer-reviewed study you can post?

 

[fix]

Can you explain what some of this indirect evidence is? Is there a peer-reviewed study you can post?

I mentioned indirect evidence. Whether we are talking about the so-called morning after pill or traditional oral contraceptive treatment the mechanisms are similar:

The authors repeatedly state that no scientific proof has appeared in the medical literature demonstrating that the pill is abortifacient. They are correct. The reason is that such proof would require collecting, fixing, staining, and serially sectioning all vaginal contents from mid-cycle through menstruation and demonstrating the presence of an early embryo. No one has the time, money or motivation for such an undertaking. In addition, would such a study be morally permissible? We think not. Attempting to prove that any mechanism causes the death of an innocent human individual is an assault on the fifth commandment…

… Dr. Don Gambrell has informed us that there is a 14% breakthrough ovulation rate in females taking the 50 microgram pills (10,410,000 x .14 = 1,457,400 ovulations each cycle). 1,457,400 x 13 cycles/year = 18,946,200 possible exposures to pregnancy each year. The accepted rate for “pill pregnancies” is 3-5 per 100 women years. Noting the fact that there is 60+% rate of spontaneous tubal abortions with an unfavorable implantation site in ectopic pregnancies, it is reasonable for us to calculate a rate of conceptions lost to early physician (BCP) induced abortion of intrauterine pregnancies in pill users as twice that of term “pill pregnancies”, given once again, an endometrium that is “less vascular, less glandular, thinner” than normal. Thus the possible abortion rate induced by BCP’s is 18,946,200 x .06 = 1,136,772 or 18,946,200 x .1 = 1,894,620 per year. We are convinced that the reasoning with regard to the math on this issue is sound…
aaplog.org/collition.htm

 

[pnewton]

From the article:

There’s just got to be some humanity involved when it’s a victim of rape."

And for the victims of theft. It is unfair to judge if the jailing is prudent or not. If she was hard to locate on that warrant, it would be unfair to the theft victim to give a pass. If she was established enough to be found later on, a little discretion might be in order.