Woman Sues Christian University After Being Fired for Becoming Pregnant Out of Wedlock

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embrace the sinner reject the sin.
have they rejected both in this instance?
if she had kept her job, then maybe through actions of LOVE and TRUTH, she might want to marry or bring her child up as a Christian/ Catholic.

I am sure there are better ways to do/handle these things other than doing it this way.
 
Doormouse said:
embrace the sinner reject the sin.
have they rejected both in this instance?
if she had kept her job, then maybe through actions of LOVE and TRUTH, she might want to marry or bring her child up as a Roman Catholic.

I am sure there are better ways to do/handle these things other than doing it this way.
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She was given the option to marry the boyfriend of 12 years and admit that she made a mistake. She refuses to acknowledge that she has even committed a sin. For there to be reconciliation, there first must be confession and repentance. She refuses to confess and repent.

Also, I don’t think NCU is a Roman Catholic university. It appears to be non-denominational and evangelical in ethos.
 
Doormouse said:
embrace the sinner reject the sin.
have they rejected both in this instance?
if she had kept her job, then maybe through actions of LOVE and TRUTH, she might want to marry or bring her child up as a Roman Catholic.

I am sure there are better ways to do/handle these things other than doing it this way.
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Maybe, but the issue before the court will be does a faith-based university (effectively a church) have the right under the 1st amendment to choose who is and is not a minister under the “ministerial except”. If they do, and the Hosanna-Tabor case says a school connected to a church does, then this university is within its rights to terminate this woman.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Maybe, but the issue before the court will be does a faith-based university (effectively a church) have the right under the 1st amendment to choose who is and is not a minister under the “ministerial except”. If they do, and the Hosanna-Tabor case says a school connected to a church does, then this university is within its rights to terminate this woman.
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And this is exactly what the schools in the Archdiocese of San Francisco are fighting against for the upcoming contract. They see it as the key to rights against discrimination. The parents are quite involved in the conflict, as is the LGBT community, since the schools currently have numerous gays in the faculty.
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JonNC said:
Maybe, but the issue before the court will be does a faith-based university (effectively a church) have the right under the 1st amendment to choose who is and is not a minister under the “ministerial except”. If they do, and the Hosanna-Tabor case says a school connected to a church does, then this university is within its rights to terminate this woman.
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And this is exactly what the schools in the Archdiocese of San Francisco are fighting against for the upcoming contract. They see it as the key to rights against discrimination. The parents are quite involved in the conflict, as is the LGBT community, since the schools currently have numerous gays in the faculty.
 
Loly_Maria said:
I’m not talking about police or rapists or the law, you are the only one bringing that up. I created a scenario and wanted to know how it would be handled. If you have an issue with women then go and deal with that yourself but don’t get angry with me for asking a valid question.

I was pointing out a flaw in the rule and was asking how it should be handled. I didn’t say that anyone should assume anything. Rape is not a rare occurrence but I’m not going to argue about that because it’s not the topic of the thread.
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It should be handled by the women privately telling her employer.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
And this is exactly what the schools in the Archdiocese of San Francisco are fighting against for the upcoming contract. They see it as the key to rights against discrimination. The parents are quite involved in the conflict, as is the LGBT community, since the schools currently have numerous gays in the faculty.
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Are you saying the schools are fighting against their Archdiocese and Church teaching?
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.

Jon
 
JonNC said:
Are you saying the schools are fighting against their Archdiocese and Church teaching?
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying.

Jon
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Yes. It has gotten quite difficult. Let me find a few links over what is a city wide conflict.

Here is an overview from America magazine.

americamagazine.org/content/dispatches/hardest-year-understanding-contract-disputes-san-francisco

And when Catholic civic leaders went public.

sfist.com/2015/04/16/in_plea_to_pope_100_local_leaders_b.php

And the teachers still have no contract. Some gay and lesbian staff have already resigned.

sfgate.com/education/article/Catholic-school-teachers-close-to-deal-but-6413516.php
 
Thorolfr said:
So in this kind of case, it would have been better for this couple if they had been using birth control. Then it would not have become public and would not have caused this teacher to lose her job.
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No, it would have been better for them to be using abstinence
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Because a math teacher or a science teacher or a Spanish teacher is not a trained clergy person who takes vows.
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But at a good Catholic school, the teacher will teach the faith while teaching math, science and Spanish.

They are ministers of the Church and have to take Catechesis courses in order to teach in diocesan schools.

Being a secular teacher isn’t enough, you must be a catechist too to teach in a faithful Catholic school.

Further more, as a consumer, if I’m going to spend a few thousand dollars a year to make sure my kids receive a solid Catholic education; why would I want protestants, dissent Catholics, or atheists teaching my kids? I might as well send them to public school and save the money. 🤷

May The Lord grant us all humility, patience, and wisdom. Amen.
 
Loly_Maria said:
Imagine that there is a woman who works for one of those Christian organisations and she is sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant as a result. Is she actually going to be put in the position of having to explain to the university that she was assaulted or else lose her job?

I’m actually curious as to what these people would do in that kind of situation. After all, they can’t have the scandal of a pregnant woman walking around their university without knowing every single detail of her life.
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If the rape victim was Catholic, she would tell her pastor for the spiritual counseling she would need. She would also want the love and support of her family and parish. The pastor would make sure the appropriate people understand the situation.

Furthermore, if the woman was Catholic and was going to keep the child, she would be a HEROINE! A HEROINE would have the child and make sure people know she was raped because she would be a HEROINE who would be setting a example of true courage, love, and fidelity to the Gospel. She would be a true disciple and a living Saint…

God Bless.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
Yes. It has gotten quite difficult. Let me find a few links over what is a city wide conflict.

Here is an overview from America magazine.

americamagazine.org/content/dispatches/hardest-year-understanding-contract-disputes-san-francisco

And when Catholic civic leaders went public.

sfist.com/2015/04/16/in_plea_to_pope_100_local_leaders_b.php

And the teachers still have no contract. Some gay and lesbian staff have already resigned.

sfgate.com/education/article/Catholic-school-teachers-close-to-deal-but-6413516.php
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as an FYI - the schools are not fighting this. The schools belong to the Diocese. It is the teachers and some of the administrators who are fighting. But not the schools, since they belong to the Archbishop.

The private Catholic schools are not part of this. Only the diocesan ones, which fall under the Office of the Archbishop

Furthermore, the so called “100 Catholic leaders” actually do not exist. They are not 100 devout, mass attending Catholic leaders. They are dissents who don’t attend mass or attend, but do not believe in 1/2 the Church teaches.

Real Catholics in San Francisco, like the group who organized the picnic, have and the Ignatius Press in San Francisco have been granting the Archbishop support, and it’s clear that these people are NOT practicing Catholics.
 
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