Woman Sues Christian University After Being Fired for Becoming Pregnant Out of Wedlock

[zz912]

This is nonsense. What kind of parent allows workplace regulations to override familial love and loyalty?

You don’t describe a school, you describe Jonestown.

Promoting and encouraging sin and sinful behaviors in others is not loving. It’s the opposite of love.

 

[Loly_Maria]

Imagine that there is a woman who works for one of those Christian organisations and she is sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant as a result. Is she actually going to be put in the position of having to explain to the university that she was assaulted or else lose her job?

I’m actually curious as to what these people would do in that kind of situation. After all, they can’t have the scandal of a pregnant woman walking around their university without knowing every single detail of her life.

 

[Darryl_Revok]

Promoting and encouraging sin and sinful behaviors in others is not loving. It’s the opposite of love.

So a parent should decide to shun their child based on their employer’s definition of “sin” and “love”?

Any parent who decides to do so is a sociopath, a failure as a parent, and probably should never have had children.

 

[estesbob]

Promoting and encouraging sin and sinful behaviors in others is not loving. It’s the opposite of love.

So if I don’t shun my homosexual daughter it is your opinion I should be banned from the Church?

 

[estesbob]

So a parent should decide to shun their child based on their employer’s definition of “sin” and “love”?

Any parent who decides to do so is a sociopath, a failure as a parent, and probably should never have had children.

Agreed. One can accept a child’s behavior without affirming it.

 

[unstoppable_II]

Christ as a victim on the cross is the centrepiece of Christianity. He must have been playing the ‘victim card’.

Tut, tut. You liberals can’t use religion because you don’t believe in it.

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“The indispensable condition of any conservative or traditionalist movement, as well as of our personal spiritual survival, is that we say NO to the prevailing values of the liberal order and that we keep saying NO.” – Lawrence Auster

 

[unstoppable_II]

Imagine that there is a woman who works for one of those Christian organisations and she is sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant as a result. Is she actually going to be put in the position of having to explain to the university that she was assaulted or else lose her job?

Get real. If such a woman was indeed raped, she would have an obligation to report it to the authorities. It then becomes a matter of public record. Then you and the rest of N.O.W. could demand the police round up every male they could, toss them in the slammer on her word alone, and throw away the key. It is what you want anyway.

 

[Loly_Maria]

Get real. If such a woman was indeed raped, she would have an obligation to report it to the authorities. It then becomes a matter of public record.

Rape victims don’t have an obligation to report anything. Rape victims also have the right to anonymity.

 

[unstoppable_II]

Rape victims don’t have an obligation to report anything. Rape victims also have the right to anonymity.

Prove what you say.

 

[JonNC]

It would have been better for them to either get married or not live together.

Exactly.

My daughter teaches at a Lutheran school. She knows the rules. She follows them, or she will lose her job.

Jon

 

[estesbob]

Rape victims don’t have an obligation to report anything. Rape victims also have the right to anonymity.

Then she would face the choice of either revealing to her employer the circumstances her pregnancy or lose her job. Of course in the situation we are discussing there was no doubt about how she got pregnant.

 

[Loly_Maria]

Then she would face the choice of either revealing to her employer the circumstances her pregnancy or lose her job. Of course in the situation we are discussing there was no doubt about how she got pregnant.

Which would be incredibly nasty and not Christ-like behaviour at all. Plus, a few posters have made the point that an unmarried pregnant tutor is a bad influence on her students, so is she required to tell her students too?

I realise that my scenario is different from the case we are discussing but it is still relevant.

 

[unstoppable_II]

Which would be incredibly nasty and not Christ-like behaviour at all. Plus, a few posters have made the point that an unmarried pregnant tutor is a bad influence on her students, so is she required to tell her students too?

I realise that my scenario is different from the case we are discussing but it is still relevant.

What you want is clearly indicated in your posts. You want the woman to be able to wear a mask and report to the police she was raped and then disappear into the background all the while expecting the police to find the perp and arrest him; or, short of that, arrest all the adult males within commuting distance of the alleged crime, then to convict him on her word alone, without any proof on her part and without any rights accorded to the accused. Basically, what N.O.W wants.

 

[estesbob]

Which would be incredibly nasty and not Christ-like behaviour at all. Plus, a few posters have made the point that an unmarried pregnant tutor is a bad influence on her students, so is she required to tell her students too?

I realise that my scenario is different from the case we are discussing but it is still relevant.

So catholic institutions should assume that all pregnancies of unmarried employees are the result of rape? Actually its not relevant as we don’t base rules based on rare occurrences.

 

[Loly_Maria]

What you want is clearly indicated in your posts. You want the woman to be able to wear a mask and report to the police she was raped and then disappear into the background all the while expecting the police to find the perp and arrest him; or, short of that, arrest all the adult males within commuting distance of the alleged crime, then to convict him on her word alone, without any proof on her part and without any rights accorded to the accused. Basically, what N.O.W wants.

I’m not talking about police or rapists or the law, you are the only one bringing that up. I created a scenario and wanted to know how it would be handled. If you have an issue with women then go and deal with that yourself but don’t get angry with me for asking a valid question.

So catholic institutions should assume that all pregnancies of unmarried employees are the result of rape? Actually its not relevant as we don’t base rules based on rare occurrences.

I was pointing out a flaw in the rule and was asking how it should be handled. I didn’t say that anyone should assume anything. Rape is not a rare occurrence but I’m not going to argue about that because it’s not the topic of the thread.

 

[zz912]

So if I don’t shun my homosexual daughter it is your opinion I should be banned from the Church?

Don’t create strawman arguments with me. It won’t work. I said nothing about shunning. I said someone who publicly supports their son’s gay “marriage” and gives support to it. You’re better than emotional usage of strawmen.

 

[unstoppable_II]

I’m not talking about police or rapists or the law, you are the only one bringing that up. I created a scenario and wanted to know how it would be handled. If you have an issue with women then go and deal with that yourself but don’t get angry with me for asking a valid question.

I don’t think you have asked a valid question yet.

Rape is not a rare occurrence but I’m not going to argue about that because it’s not the topic of the thread.

But you brought it into the discussion with your hypotheticals.

 

[JonNC]

Rape victims don’t have an obligation to report anything. Rape victims also have the right to anonymity.

It seems to me that, for a woman who has been raped, it might be a source of great solace to seek our a nun, confide, and receive the love and comfort available in the love of Christ through His Church. At least I would hope so.

Which would be incredibly nasty and not Christ-like behaviour at all. Plus, a few posters have made the point that an unmarried pregnant tutor is a bad influence on her students, so is she required to tell her students too?

No. Her students are required to listen to the priest or sister when they are told that Miss Teacher is a good Catholic, loved by God, and beyond that it is none of their business. She is here to teach.

Jon

 

[zz912]

Imagine that there is a woman who works for one of those Christian organisations and she is sexually assaulted and becomes pregnant as a result. Is she actually going to be put in the position of having to explain to the university that she was assaulted or else lose her job?

I’m actually curious as to what these people would do in that kind of situation. After all, they can’t have the scandal of a pregnant woman walking around their university without knowing every single detail of her life.

She doesn’t need to say anything. People will naturally ask, and she can withhold saying anything, or she can tell people. It’s not like a pregnancy is secret.

If she chooses not to talk about it, when they would ask, if she has a boyfriend, she can merely state that she has remained faithful to her Christian faith, and has not sinned, and is not currently living in sin. At that point the university would say thank you and also offer to support her.

In the instance we are talking about, the woman REFUSES to abide by the Christian faith, and actively flouts it and rejects it. A Catholic institution cannot let that continue.

 

[Loly_Maria]

No. Her students are required to listen to the priest or sister when they are told that Miss Teacher is a good Catholic, loved by God, and beyond that it is none of their business. She is here to teach.

Jon

She doesn’t need to say anything. People will naturally ask, and she can withhold saying anything, or she can tell people. It’s not like a pregnancy is secret.

If she chooses not to talk about it, when they would ask, if she has a boyfriend, she can merely state that she has remained faithful to her Christian faith, and has not sinned, and is not currently living in sin. At that point the university would say thank you and also offer to support her.

Thank you These are the type of replies that I wanted.