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Alex337 said:
Frankly if you don’t pee on the seat I don’t mind what position it’s in. And not peeing on the seat helps everyone!
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It’s when he doesn’t put it down that I lose my mind.

Just.
Put.
The seat.
Down.
(And don’t pee on it!)
 
Fauken said:
Women snorting? Sinful! St. Paul would never permit such behavior while men were around! You may accidentally talk over, or worse, to them!
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Hey St Paul was a dude.

Dudes burp, belch, and stink. I know. I live with one. I love him and I let him live, but I still reside with one. Two if you count the dog - who also burps, belches, and stinks from time to time. 🤣🤣🤣

The dog has also been known to crop dust - a near unforgivable sin in and of itself. Seriously. 🤢

So St Paul could take a seat. 🙂 With all due respect to St Paul, of course. 🙂
 
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I see no future in trying to argue the point. I do ask you to back up and look at the larger picture, at the satanic attack on mankind, working to dehumanize humanity. He is working from both sides, to erode God’s design and intentions in His creation of mankind as man and woman. The work of the evil one: to feminize men, and to masculinize women. The success he has gained in “normalizing” homosexuality, shows how much damage he has done in just a few decades.

Please: think about these things, in the “big picture”. I don’t know how old you are, but that can make a difference in the way you may view this matter, if you personally have been influenced, unconsciously, by the cultural pressures and “political correctness” the evil one has generated among influential persons/leaders of Western culture. We all have to hold tight to God’s intentions, God’s plans, God’s designs in human nature, as the evil one works 24/7 to up-end all of humanity, to confuse, divide and destroy.
 
fide said:
I see no future in trying to argue the point. I do ask you to back up and look at the larger picture, at the satanic attack on mankind, working to dehumanize humanity. He is working from both sides, to erode God’s design and intentions in His creation of mankind as man and woman. The work of the evil one: to feminize men, and to masculinize women. The success he has gained in “normalizing” homosexuality, shows how much damage he has done in just a few decades.

Please: think about these things, in the “big picture”. I don’t know how old you are, but that can make a difference in the way you may view this matter, if you personally have been influenced, unconsciously, by the cultural pressures and “political correctness” the evil one has generated among influential persons/leaders of Western culture. We all have to hold tight to God’s intentions, God’s plans, God’s designs in human nature, as the evil one works 24/7 to up-end all of humanity, to confuse, divide and destroy.
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Sorry, friend, but you are not somehow more hard put than women in terms of lust. You are just as culpable as women for your lust. The fall did not create more lust in you than it did in women and you are expected by God to have as much restraint as women.

You attempt to make this about my age, but I’m sorry to say that won’t work. I’m well and truly an adult. So much so that I am capable of accepting that God gave men and women the ability to control our lust, and that we are effected by it equally. You try to claim I am somehow tempted by the evil one with “political correctness”; a scary way to say “treating people with respect” while you seek to excuse your own flaws as being somehow greater than womens, as though this should mean you are somehow struggling more.

This is incredibly derogatory to men and women both. You degrade men by claiming they are more heavily influenced by the sin of lust. You degrade women by insinuating that our self control is thus lesser because of the implied lesser burden. Neither is true. Men and women both have lust and both are thinking, reasoning persons blessed by God with the ability to control this.

I suggest you consider this. You already know that you cannot know a woman’s mind, but think to tell women that they do not feel lust as strongly as you? You seek to paint yourself a victim of greater temptation rather than look to your own control of it and improve yourself. You have a log in your eye, friend.
 
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mrsdizzyd:
We are trying, but at every turn someone tells us the ensemble still is not modest enough. :cry:
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Because in all of your iterations you keep forgetting a matching burlap head covering! No decent Catholic woman will even consider your ensemble until you cover this basic bit of modesty.
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Now I see my mistake. We will add an optional potato sack head covering. That should do the trick! 😎🥔
 
I tend to wear long kaftan inspired dresses like this one around the house:


They are very flowy and comfortable.
 
Men lust. Women lust. What are you doing to keep women from lusting after you. I do not normally ask things like that but you have told us what to do. Please share what you are doing.
 
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I could use one of those.

I also like those sandals.
 
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I confess I’m one of those makeup-loving harlots. I have been told I bear quite a resemblance to a grown-up Wednesday.
 
Alex337 said:
This is incredibly derogatory to men and women both. You degrade men by claiming they are more heavily influenced by the sin of lust. You degrade women by insinuating that our self control is thus lesser because of the implied lesser burden. Neither is true. Men and women both have lust and both are thinking, reasoning persons blessed by God with the ability to control this.
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Not to step in the middle of a minefield here, but I think the main point fide is trying to make is that men and women are different and often have different struggles. On average, men struggle with sexual lust more so than women. That doesn’t mean that women are incapable of lust. It doesn’t mean that both men and women are not called to control that lust. It doesn’t mean men or women are more in control or less culpable.

I’d honestly be somewhat surprised to learn that women (again, on average) experience lust to an equal degree as men (on average). The conversations and experience I’ve had with men and women over the years leads me to believe that the experience of men and women is not the same in this regard. I could be wrong. But, again, just because the experience is different doesn’t mean we aren’t all called to avoid sin.

On an individual level, we all have different sins we are more strongly tempted to commit. Maybe one person really struggles with gossiping. Another struggles with being judgmental. Another struggles with lying. Another struggles with anger. But that we struggle with different things to different degrees isn’t a value judgment against us, nor does it in any way indicate that some are free to sin more than others.

Maybe I misread fide’s central point. I think he’s bringing up the “political correctness” as a way of saying that it’s PC today to basically say that there is absolutely zero difference between men and women, which isn’t true. But difference doesn’t imply inequality, of course.

And, again, much of the differences are in general. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t individual men that don’t struggle with lust as much while there are individual women that do. Nor does it mean that there’s something “wrong” with such people.
 
Joe_5859 said:
Not to step in the middle of a minefield here, but I think the main point fide is trying to make is that men and women are different and often have different struggles. On average, men struggle with sexual lust more so than women. That doesn’t mean that women are incapable of lust. It doesn’t mean that both men and women are not called to control that lust. It doesn’t mean men or women are more in control or less culpable.
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Welcome to the minefield, friend. It is a modern assumption that men have a greater trial with lust that has not been found to have any grounding. In previous centuries it was thought that women had less control over their lusts. These things change so much. Remember there was a time in history where women’s sexual arousal was thought to be so physically damaging that doctors had to step in; A man invented vibrators because doctors were tired of giving orgasms
Joe_5859 said:
I’d honestly be somewhat surprised to learn that women (again, on average) experience lust to an equal degree as men (on average). The conversations and experience I’ve had with men and women over the years leads me to believe that the experience of men and women is not the same in this regard. I could be wrong. But, again, just because the experience is different doesn’t mean we aren’t all called to avoid sin.
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Then prepare to be surprised. Women do experience lust on an equal degree as men. The trick is that women have greater risk should they act on that lust, and a smaller chance of (for lack of a better word) “pay off”. They’ve done studies on it and women experience the lust as much but act on it less, after all in a hypothetical world where you would act on lust would you act on if it risked pregnancy and was not guaranteed to result in an orgasm? Compared to if it did not risk your pregnancy and was almost entirely guaranteed orgasm? What about if we also add in a society that lauds the latter having sex and shames the former? You see how this can influence matters?

Here’s a handy article with references to a book that compiles studies on it; Turns Out Women Have Really, Really Strong Sex Drives: Can Men Handle It? - The Atlantic
Joe_5859 said:
Maybe I misread fide’s central point. I think he’s bringing up the “political correctness” as a way of saying that it’s PC today to basically say that there is absolutely zero difference between men and women, which isn’t true. But difference doesn’t imply inequality, of course.
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Fide was flailing wildly at that stage in an attempt to bring either my age into this or, randomly, “PC culture”. I don’t put much stock in that.

Over all people will all be different. I mean I’m asexual so the whole topic is a bit funny for me. But trying to say that men are all more effected by lust than women is just foolhardy and degrading to both.
 
Joe is a man and can not understand a woman’s problem with lust.
Does that sound silly? So does a woman can not understand how hard lust is for a man.
Preemptively most women dress they way they do because they like the way they look not to get a man.
 
Alex337 said:
Welcome to the minefield, friend. It is a modern assumption that men have a greater trial with lust that has not been found to have any grounding. In previous centuries it was thought that women had less control over their lusts. These things change so much. Remember there was a time in history where women’s sexual arousal was thought to be so physically damaging that doctors had to step in; A man invented vibrators because doctors were tired of giving orgasms
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Yes - many older documents talk about the need to keep women in the house precisely because they were unable to control their lusts and needed to be watched.

There’s also been some modern studies that suggest women are less interested in casual sex primarily because they assume a man who approaches them is…not any good.
 
Hands are a great object of temptation for me. I require all men to cover their hands in gloves. But specifically non-attractive gloves.

only half joking
 
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