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Behold how Islam exalts and protects women:

At first glance, Bably Akter looks like any other nine-year-old Bangladeshi girl, dressed in a brightly coloured pink and turquoise skirt and top trimmed with silver sequins.
A matching headband conceals her left ear, badly deformed and the only obvious sign she is the victim of an acid attack, a practice rampant in the impoverished country, used mainly in domestic disputes and against women and children.

As her mother, Parul, recounts the story of how Bably’s father put drops of acid on different parts of her body for five days when she was a baby, the little girl lifts her skirt to reveal a large scar on her legs and feet.

“Her father wanted a son. He’d been violent towards me before Bably was born but it was not until day five, when he actually fed her acid I realised something was seriously wrong,” Parul, 26, said.

She complained to the police but charges were never laid.

“We ran away and spent two years at the Acid Survivors’ Foundation (ASF) hospital where Bably had a lot of plastic surgery on her mouth. She still needs more operations.”

With her broad grin and her love of dancing, Bably speaks about her dreams of one day becoming a doctor to help others in the South Asian nation.

“She says she doesn’t remember what happened but sometimes she cries for no reason. Her speech is a little bit impaired and she gets teased at school,” Parul said.

The Dhaka-based ASF says most victims of acid attacks bear obvious physical scars, which make them pariahs. Bably is one of the lucky ones…

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistani Taliban in the troubled Khyber tribal region have warned authorities not to issue national identity cards to women, saying the practice is “un-Islamic”.

Omar Farooq, the commander of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan in Khyber Agency, warned the National Database and Registration Authority that its offices would be attacked if it issued identity cards to women.

Farooq told reporters on phone from an unknown location that making identity cards for women went against Islamic rules. The Taliban will not allow women to obtain these cards, he said.

He also warned women that they would have to face the consequences if they went to NADRA offices to get themselves registered for the identity cards.

The Taliban in Swat valley of the North Western Frontier Province and parts of the restive tribal have banned girls’ education and barred women from visiting markets unless they are accompanied by male relatives.

PESHAWAR: Terrified, locked up at home and courting death if they go out alone, women oppressed by extremists in Swat have nothing to celebrate on International Women’s Day.

Nearly 100 years after the annual day was created to mark the struggle for equal rights for half the world’s population, most women in Swat look blank and go silent when asked about gender rights and discrimination.

They’re too frightened to speak in public. They can only leave the confines of their homes accompanied by a male relative, their bodies hidden in veils.

‘How can I tell you my name, are you crazy? I was told not to give my name to anyone because the Taliban could hurt me,’ one girl in the ninth grade told AFP by telephone from the former ski resort.

The girl’s dreams of becoming a doctor are over. She worries the Taliban will stop her finishing school, regardless of her parents’ support.

‘My mother told me I can do anything, but my inner soul is shattered.’

‘Tell me if you stop women getting an education where will a sick woman go? Do you want her to go to a male doctor? I was told that education is compulsory for every man and woman in Islam but the Taliban destroyed our schools.’

Militants have destroyed 191 schools in the valley, 122 of them for girls, leaving 62,000 pupils with nowhere to study, local officials say.

Huma Batool – not her real name – is a 42-year-old mother of two who dices with death to teach girls at a private school in the region’s main town Mingora.

‘We have to veil ourselves and wear shuttlecock burqas. We are not safe even at home.
We fear the Taliban all the time. Life is becoming worse and worse for women in Swat,’ she told AFP by telephone.

Educated and financially self-sufficient, she cannot even pop to the shops without a male relative, leaving her frequently couped up at home for hours, waiting for a suitable escort to become available.

‘You cannot imagine how I manage to get to school, practically every day I think about leaving the job and sitting at home.’

‘Life bores us to tears. There is no entertainment. We can’t even think about cable TV, cinema, film and music. Imagine I can’t even go shopping or to the bazaar as women are banned by Taliban.’

Salma Javed, 35, is a nurse at a local hospital, where women – however sick – can only be admitted if accompanied by a male relative.

‘Every woman fears she will be killed if she comes out, so even sick and pregnant women have to visit hospital with their husbands.’…
 
Would you like to go into the domestic abuse present in many Catholic house holds? Particularly within the latino population?
 
Would you like to go into the domestic abuse present in many Catholic house holds? Particularly within the latino population?

Of course.

This happens DESPITE the teaching of the Church. Those who commit domestic violence are not following the doctrines of Christianity.

This abuse I mentioned happens in Islam because it’s misogynistic.

Any religion that teaches that the testimony of 1 man is worth that of 4 women, or that women can inherit only 1/3 of what a man gets is, by definition, misogynistic.

The Coran also permits husbands to beat their wives. This is nowhere in the Bible.

But what do you expect of a religion started by a pedophile?
 
Would you like to go into the domestic abuse present in many Catholic house holds? Particularly within the latino population?

Of course.

This happens DESPITE the teaching of the Church.

Has the Church always taught that a husband “correcting” his wife with corporal punishment was a sin? How about with Children? “Spare the rod and spoil the child”
This abuse I menetioned happens in Islam because it’s misogynistic.
How clever you are:eek:
 
Would you like to go into the domestic abuse present in many Catholic house holds? Particularly within the latino population?
**The title of this thread is called “woman & islam” **

If you wish to divert this into another discussion, well then perhaps you can start a new topic to satisfy your question elsewhere…

This section is Non-Catholic discussisions and for the life of me I don’t undertand why you change the topic just like Planten does.
 
The problem with this is it obscures the issue. You take an important problem, domestic abuse in undeveloped nations, and simply use it as a means to embarass muslims. You don’t post articles about domestic abuse in third world Christian nations. This places more moderate individuals in a difficult position. We cannot just go with you because your motives are, shall we say, less than admirable. Yet we cannot defend the horrid abuse that is occuring. How about you stop taking advantage of these women for a few minutes and simple see what you can do to help them?
 
**The title of this thread is called “woman & islam” **

If you wish to divert this into another discussion, well then perhaps you can start a new topic to satisfy your question elsewhere…

This section is Non-Catholic discussisions and for the life of me I don’t undertand why you change the topic just like Planten does.
It is legitimate. He did not provide support for these practices being prohibited in orthodox Islamic thought. Has Al Azhar put out a fatwa saying women may not have identity cards? Rather he takes incidents of domestic abuse in the Muslim world and uses this to attack Islam itself. My point is he would not appreciate such a haphazard methodology applied to his faith.

It would be perfectly easy for me to do. I worked with abused children (most coming from Christian homes) and could easily use that as a cheep attack on Christianity. Look at these horrid things done by Christian parent! Well what do you expect when their Bible says “spare the rod and spoil the child!” However I like to think that I have a tad more human decency than to use those children is some walf wited scheme to embarase Christians.
 
Wouldn’t it be a little more constructive to address issues of abuse to women in all cultures?
 
Here’s more of the same.

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Kabul, 9 March (AKI) - Afghanistan's Supreme Court has upheld a 20-year jail term for blasphemy handed to Afghan journalist Sayed Parwez Kambakhsh, who claimed men and women were equal. Kambakhsh's brother said the family had just learned of the closed-door ruling delivered a month ago in the absence of Yaqub Kambakhsh, his lawyer or family members, the Information Safety and Freedom media watchdog reported on Monday.

"We thought there would be some justice in the capital of Afghanistan and even at the highest level of the judicial system," wrote Yaqub Kambakhsh in a letter sent to Information Safety and Freedom.

"But their silent decision seems that first of all there is no justice in Afghanistan at any level. "Kambakhsh is the latest victim."

Twenty-eight year-old Kambakhsh's troubles began in 1997, when he wrote in his blog that "extremist mullahs" had distorted the true meaning of Islam's holy book or Koran.
 
The problem with this is it obscures the issue. You take an important problem, domestic abuse in undeveloped nations, and simply use it as a means to embarass muslims. You don’t post articles about domestic abuse in third world Christian nations. This places more moderate individuals in a difficult position. We cannot just go with you because your motives are, shall we say, less than admirable. Yet we cannot defend the horrid abuse that is occuring. How about you stop taking advantage of these women for a few minutes and simple see what you can do to help them?
Pakistan is not a third world nation. In fact, most of the Middle East is NOT third world. They are technologically advanced nations with full access to education and material wealth that makes the fact that inequality exists even worse. As for Christianity, we are not afraid of scrutiny. Christian men who abuse their wives and children are not excused… they are punished, sometimes severely, with society preferring to error on the side of caution. That is the difference here, and the fact that you pretend not to see that or think it is irrelevant speaks volumes of your moral relativism.
 
Neploho,
What can we do to help these woman? What can I do as an American to help?
 
Neploho is exactly correct on this matter.

The abuse of women in third world countries should not be obscured by an attempt to attack religion. It is a problem throughout the world, though it seems to be worst in impoverished nations without much education. Bangladesh is one such third-world country. Pakistan is also, especially the regions in which this sort of abuse is mentioned.

The attempts to paint it as relating to Islam are not being honest. Islam certainly does honor women. It is the society of men for centuries which has oppressed women.

Women have been oppressed more than any other group of people on the planet.

I stand out against it, and I am a Muslim. What makes me sick is when people take this news about oppression of women as an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam, rather than actually standing up for the women who are being oppressed because of anything but.
 
Neploho,
What can we do to help these woman? What can I do as an American to help?
I would like to point out that war has not done anything to help these countries.

When a government feels under threat, under attack, it isn’t helping build schools, is it? When people are being killed by bombs from unmanned drones, the government isn’t really thinking about social welfare, is it?

But these days, when a country gets aid from the USA, where do you think it goes?

In a country like Afghanistan, just for instance, the matters of education for children, food for the hungry, even running water, all that will come after the matter of safety and security, if that even is his first concern.

The leader of the country might also be worried that his army will rise up against him if he does not appease them.

So what can you do as an American? Discourage war, discourage aid to corrupt leaders (who are doing nothing to help their people… like the leaders of Pakistan for instance), discourage war, discourage invasions, discourage bombing civilians…
 
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace
Behold how Islam exalts and protects women:
Just imagine , media is relating religion with each crime in US. It will look like this :

CONDENSED:
  1. A Christian woman is beaten every 9 seconds in America, the most Christian society on the earth today.
  2. Some 2 million Christian women are beaten and abused in America each year…the number could be as high as 4 million each year.
  3. In contrast, President George Bush [2003] puts the number at 700,000 each year. But, like his claim of WMDs in Iraq, the President’s data has to be treated with some circumspection.
  4. From 20% to 30% of the Christian women who are seen by emergency room physicians exhibit at least one or more symptoms of physical abuse.
  5. Christian male correctional employees have vaginally, anally, and orally raped Christian female prisoners in U.S. State Prisons
  6. 10% of the Christian victims were pregnant at the time of abuse.
  7. Sixty-six percent of women who became pregnant as adolescents were sexually abused as children. (University of Washington study, 1995)
  8. One in 3 Christian women is raped in her lifetime. (Los Angeles Commission on Assaults Against Women, 1985)
  9. One in 4 Christian girls and 1 in 7 Christian boys will be sexually abused before age 18. (“Preventing Sexual Abuse,” 1986)
  10. Christian Women and girls ages 12 and up annually reported about 500,000 rapes and sexual assaults, almost 500,000 robberies, and about 3.8 million assaults.
  11. In 29% of all violence against Christian women by a lone Christian offender, the perpetrator was an intimate Christian (husband, ex-husband, boyfriend or ex-boyfriend).
  12. HONOR KILLINGS IN AMERICA? Of the 5328 Christian women murdered in 1990, FBI data indicate that about half or more of them by a Christian husband or Christian boyfriend.
  13. Young Christian women, between the ages of 16-24 in dating relationships experience the highest rate of domestic violence and sexual assault.
sources: soundvision.com/Info/misc/wvastat.asp

washingtondispatch.com/printer_8165.shtml

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By Jürgen Todenhöfer

…In some Muslim countries the advancement of women has gone much further in certain respects than in the West.

In Egypt, 30 percent of all professors are women, in Germany the figure is only 10 percent. In Iran well over 60 percent of students are women, which has prompted some arch-conservatives to reflect on introducing a quota for men. There is also a longer tradition of female heads of government in Muslim countries than in the West.

informationclearinghouse.info/
 
Neploho is exactly correct on this matter.
What makes me sick is when people take this news about oppression of women as an opportunity to attack Muslims and Islam, rather than actually standing up for the women who are being oppressed because of anything but.
That’s exactly it for me too.

You don’t see true compassion for these women from someone like the OP. I mean I’m sure he honestly thinks it’s a bad thing but he has turned them into a mere means (in other words he hasn;t been reading Kant) to humiliate Muslims.

The plight of most women in the non Western world (and even in the West it’s not good) is a disgrace. No, I do not beleive Islam is respobsible any more than Paul is responsible for the child abuse in Christian countries. Those are nothing more than cheep corelations in polemics to abuse the other side. Just a truely sickening display of turning victims into mere means towards a less than honorable end.
 
Behold how Islam exalts and protects women:
The only protection that I can think of is the “proper clothing”, other than that I can’t see any protection at all, from the polygamy marriage, the unequal inheritance, to Hell & Paradise.
 
Women are degraded from birth. Not even a baby girl’s urine is pure, unlike a baby boy’s which is.

Then we have the mutah (Shia) / misyar (sunni) nikah arrangements - temporary sexual arrangements, or as we know them prostitution, where not even children born from them are the responsibility of the man.

Pre-pubescent girls, right down in suckling baby girls, can be “married” and sexually abused (both in sunni and shia).

The status of women in Saudi Arabia is just a reflection of the fruit of this decadent cult.

Four wives, what your right hand can possess - Islamic “marriage” is nothing more than a legal bordello for each man; where he can toss a woman out with ONE “I divorce you” (after the prescribed waiting period, ie for pregnancy, even if she is pre-menstrual if intercourse has occurred).

And yet we have our pathetic “secular humanists” who have found themselves their own pet victim to coddle in muslims living in the West - I guess actually standing up and doing something about this cult is just too hard. Well, for them it’s about feeling good about themselves after all; I mean, do something? That would mean having to have a moral stand on something.

This is codified in Islamic fiqh - it’s allah’s law for eternity which cannot be changed by man. Based on the qur’an and the sayings/traditions of the perfect man, Mohammed. This behaviour is happening not only 1400 years ago, not only 1000 years ago but also now in 2009.
 
I would like to point out that war has not done anything to help these countries.

When a government feels under threat, under attack, it isn’t helping build schools, is it? When people are being killed by bombs from unmanned drones, the government isn’t really thinking about social welfare, is it?

But these days, when a country gets aid from the USA, where do you think it goes?

In a country like Afghanistan, just for instance, the matters of education for children, food for the hungry, even running water, all that will come after the matter of safety and security, if that even is his first concern.

The leader of the country might also be worried that his army will rise up against him if he does not appease them.

So what can you do as an American? Discourage war, discourage aid to corrupt leaders (who are doing nothing to help their people… like the leaders of Pakistan for instance), discourage war, discourage invasions, discourage bombing civilians…
I’ll play along…

Do you really think that the United States fighting those who would attack us in these areas is causal to this problem?

Why should we care about how corrupt a leader is if the people seem not to?

I cannot help but view things as an American. Here, when things are not as they should be, men took action. Yes, people suffered and died, including children, but eventually things changed. Why do these people not take action? Yes, people will suffer and die, but eventually things will change.

And, by the way, if the US stops fighting terror groups, will they no longer attack us?
 
Has the Church always taught that a husband “correcting” his wife with corporal punishment was a sin? How about with Children? "Spare the rod and spoil the child"

You know, I understand there are people who never set foot in any church, and even atheists who are guilty of domestic abuse.
 
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