Women and self defense?

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I just say pound him so hard that he is conditioned to be in pain anytime he looks at a woman - after all that way you can save the money on a lawyer.
 
GraceDK said:
America= Cowboy land…

Make all arms illegal except for the few who have a licence to hunt.
There are other ways for women to learn self defence.
In my country in Europe owning a gun is illegal… I find that totally reasonable.
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And how do you propose to get rid of all the guns? Lock down the entire country while the police or military go door-to-door ransacking all the houses?
 
Best points of advice I can give for women’s overall self defense:
• Stay married. Statistically, single women have a bad habit of getting themselves into bad situations.

• Do not let strangers in your home - ever.

• Own dogs. The bigger the better. Dog’s save more women’s lives than firearms.

• Pepper spray does not work!

• Tasers do not work!

• Firearms do work!
If you own a firearm, know how to use it. Don’t carry a handgun unless you are ready to use it.

• Think of your safety first, don’t worry if someone thinks you are being “prejudiced”.
Yeah, thats right - the creepy looking guy looks creepy for a reason. Trust your instincts, it is better to be alive than politically correct.

• Never ever ever ever try to reason with an attacker/mugger. Do not comply with where they want you to go, do not stick around long enough to find out where they want you to go - chuck your purse at them and RUN! It is better to die on the spot than to endure what they intend for you.

• The only sport/martial art in which women can hope to have any sort of chance at besting a man is sprinting or track. No joke ladies, kung-fu kicking or brazilian jujitsu will not stop a full grown man from snapping your neck. Don’t buy into foolish hollywood gimmicks, you get in a bad situation JUST RUN!
 
Vangaurdian said:
Best points of advice I can give for women’s overall self defense:
• Stay married. Statistically, single women have a bad habit of getting themselves into bad situations.

• Do not let strangers in your home - ever.

• Own dogs. The bigger the better. Dog’s save more women’s lives than firearms.

• Pepper spray does not work!

• Tasers do not work!

• Firearms do work!
If you own a firearm, know how to use it. Don’t carry a handgun unless you are ready to use it.

• Think of your safety first, don’t worry if someone thinks you are being “prejudiced”.
Yeah, thats right - the creepy looking guy looks creepy for a reason. Trust your instincts, it is better to be alive than politically correct.

• Never ever ever ever try to reason with an attacker/mugger. Do not comply with where they want you to go, do not stick around long enough to find out where they want you to go - chuck your purse at them and RUN! It is better to die on the spot than to endure what they intend for you.

• The only sport/martial art in which women can hope to have any sort of chance at besting a man is sprinting or track. No joke ladies, kung-fu kicking or brazilian jujitsu will not stop a full grown man from snapping your neck. Don’t buy into foolish hollywood gimmicks, you get in a bad situation JUST RUN!
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  1. Dogs are great and one of the best things about life. However not everyone is meant to be a dog owner.
  2. Certainly not everyone is meant to get married. Cant say I appreciate the victim-blaming mentality that is apparent in your post. So single men and married couples never are victimised? Who would have thought the answer would be so simple as that!
  3. Pepper spray and tasers do work, albeit momentarily, during which time the person being attacked should run.
  4. You do not seem to know very much about martial artists. None of us (men included) are under any illusion that it would be easy to break someone’s neck. Also self-defense is not about ‘besting’ your attacker, whatever you mean by that. There are certainly techniques that one can use to (most of the most momentarily again, but that is life) subdue an attacker who gets close to them. But yes, running if possible is always preferable for both men and women.
Everything else in your post I can agree with more or less.

I came across a great email a while back that really hit the nail on the head - managed to find a site that has it:

How to Prevent Rape
If a woman is drunk, don’t rape her.
If a woman is walking alone at night, don’t rape her.
If a women is drugged and unconscious, don’t rape her.
If a woman is wearing a short skirt, don’t rape her.
If a woman is jogging in a park at 5 am, don’t rape her.
If a woman looks like your ex-girlfriend you’re still hung up on, don’t rape her.

and so on. sflovestory.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/how-to-prevent-rape/

God bless
 
Well, running is a good option for men as well.

You never lose the fight you avoid.
 
I’m from a country that has pretty strict gun control. Sure, gangs have brought in guns into the country and there are usually decent sized cache’s found in drug busts, but our gun crime is almost non-existant.

Yet, we seem to have fine numbers of murders committed with whatever you can think of, from a baseball bat to a samurai sword (we’ve had a few of those in the last decade or so)

People killed other people well enough before the advent of guns, and people will kill other people well enough without guns. If someone’s heck bent on homicide, they don’t need an AK-47 to do it, a plank of wood, an axe, a sword, a pillow, just about anything will do the job…
 
chevalier said:
In my opinion, from the benefit of doubt and the allocation of burden of proof inherent in criminal law, it already follows that if an attempt at rape has been proven, it’s a very, very tough job to prove that the woman who killed that rapist wannabe did anything wrong. In my view, the statutes should clearly reflect this. Even if she was too trigger happy, she had the right to prevent the criminal event from taking place, period.

Now, as for no gun control. The woman is not the only one having a gun. Every 18 year old highschooler or 21 year old dude or whoever you make guns accessible to, will have a gun. That can mean three dudes with guns against a girl with a gun. That means many, many idiots will have guns, whereas normal people will often not feel the need to own one. That can actually help rapists instead of stalling them.

I take issue with this big time. I’m normal - I carry a .45 exactly because of all the other idiots. When money allows, my wife will carry. From your logic above, normal people should just be victims instead of protecting themselves.

In my view, law enforcement should focus its attention where it belongs, i.e. the people who choose to shoot others for money or out of malice, leaving people alone if they mishandle a gun in self-defence out of stress or fear or even lack of skill or inaccurate assessment of the situation. The criminal already makes a choice when he attacks someone. There should be zero tolerance for those who attack others. Sure, they have rights too and you can’t just shoot them cold if you have a safe other way, such as blasting their kneecap off and holding him at gun point before cops arrive. But this doesn’t apply to rough situations in which you have to decide quickly.

Have to be careful blasting kneecaps, actually. if you intentionally mame someone, even if it is so as to not kill them, you can be held accountable. That is why in CHL classes, you are taught to shoot by putting two center-mass, and one in the head if it doesn’t stop the attack. That is, at least, TX DPS standards.

By the way, no one should be forced to pay medical bills or any form of damages to his assailant or the assailant’s heirs unless there was sheer malice or paranoia, like an able-bodied man shooting a teenage mugger dead or people sniping at thieves or bullies. But if you blast someone’s kneecaps off in self-defence, you shouldn’t have to pay anything.

Unfortunately, it’s often hard to make the courts see reality.
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JaneGrey said:
  1. Dogs are great and one of the best things about life. However not everyone is meant to be a dog owner.
  2. Certainly not everyone is meant to get married. Cant say I appreciate the victim-blaming mentality that is apparent in your post. So single men and married couples never are victimised? Who would have thought the answer would be so simple as that!
  3. Pepper spray and tasers do work, albeit momentarily, during which time the person being attacked should run.
  4. You do not seem to know very much about martial artists. None of us (men included) are under any illusion that it would be easy to break someone’s neck. Also self-defense is not about ‘besting’ your attacker, whatever you mean by that. There are certainly techniques that one can use to (most of the most momentarily again, but that is life) subdue an attacker who gets close to them. But yes, running if possible is always preferable for both men and women.
Everything else in your post I can agree with more or less.
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Yes I am blaming the victim, for a reason. Tough love I guess.
Women have to use their brains, don’t put yourselves in stupid situations.

While fumbling for your pepperspray or taser you should be running. Cause it probably won’t do what you think it will even if you managed to get it out in time.

Consider “snap your neck” as figure of speach.

I don’t see it as beneficial to give women the idea that just because they take a jujitsu class that they are going to be able to physically defend themselves from a man. They simply can’t.

What they can do in a physical confrontation, and have a reasonable chance at succeeding (if it is their primary muscle memory/instinct) is sprint. I’ve met many women who could out-run the average man. There is no such thing as a woman who could out-fight the average man.

The best way to win a fight is not to be in one.

God bless
 
Vangaurdian said:
Yes I am blaming the victim, for a reason. Tough love I guess.
Women have to use their brains, don’t put yourselves in stupid situations.

Consider “snap your neck” as figure of speach.

I don’t see it as beneficial to give women the idea that just because they take a jujitsu class that they are going to be able to physically defend themselves from a man. They simply can’t.

What they can do in a physical confrontation, and have a reasonable chance at succeeding (if it is their primary muscle memory/instinct) is sprint. ** I’ve met many women who could out-run the average man. There is no such thing as a woman who could out-fight the average man. **

The best way to win a fight is not to be in one.

God bless
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Wow, you are very misinformed. Like everything, it is all about preparation. I guarantee you that a woman who is not physically fit or conditioned will not be able to outrun a man who is, especially in heels. Similarly, if a woman is not trained in self defense most likely is she will not be able to fight off the man. However, as a very slender woman who has taken many self defense classes and kickboxing, I am telling you now that it does help. It teaches a woman moves, techniques, and vulnerable spots that will take down a man twice her size. Never underestimate what skill, training, and preparation does to your mind and body.
 
JaneGrey said:
… Cant say I appreciate the victim-blaming mentality that is apparent in your post. So single men and married couples never are victimised? Who would have thought the answer would be so simple as that!
  1. Pepper spray and tasers do work, albeit momentarily, during which time the person being attacked should run.
God bless
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I don’t think he was blaming the victim. But as a women, I get upset at other women, when they drink their brains out among men they don’t know, and who might also be drinking their brains out. It is a stupid idea and is asking for trouble. Now that doesn’t excuse a man from any crime he might commit, but why put yourself in such a dangerous situation. (Obviously there are some situations which you cannot help, walking to your car after work in the parking lot/garage). No amount of training or preparation will save you if you are passed out drunk or blacked out.

And no, pepper spray and tasers don’t work on everybody. You see it all the time on cops, when the guy gets tased and keeps charging at the cops. 🤷 And you need to be very close to make pepper spray work, and it will not stop everybody, some are just not as sensitive. It is like when I was learning a martial arts, we were learning some holds and such. The class was majority men, and when they would put these holds on me, they wouldn’t hurt, just because of my increased flexibility as a women. (And I am not very flexible as a women). We did put limits on how much pressure they could put behind their holds because we didn’t want to damage my joints, but rarely could they make a hold inflict any sort of pain. A man running on adrenaline, will probably not be bothered much by pepper spray or mace.
 
Wow, you are very misinformed. Like everything, it is all about preparation. I guarantee you that a woman who is not physically fit or conditioned will not be able to outrun a man who is, especially in heels. Similarly, if a woman is not trained in self defense most likely is she will not be able to fight off the man. However, as a very slender woman who has taken many self defense classes and kickboxing, I am telling you now that it does help. It teaches a woman moves, techniques, and vulnerable spots that will take down a man twice her size. Never underestimate what skill, training, and preparation does to your mind and body.
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Awww for goodness sakes…

Why waste time on “self defense” moves when you could be running at the track?
You said yourself that a lot of women can’t run… well maybe more of them should try.

The problem with “kickboxing” (while I admit it is fun), is that women may end up building reflex motions/muscle memory in confrontations that will lead them to sticking around and trying to fight when their reflex/conditioning should be flat out running.

Sorry to burst your bubble,
There is no spot on a man you can magically kick and win in the real world. World just don’t work that way. Kick a man in the groin and your are just going to raise his adrenaline level, if you even manage to do it. Cause if you are close enough to kick he’s already got you.

What you can do is move yourself as fast as you can away from a situation.
Period.
 
Vangaurdian said:
Awww for goodness sakes…

Why waste time on “self defense” moves when you could be running at the track?
You said yourself that a lot of women can’t run… well maybe more of them should try.

The problem with “kickboxing” (while I admit it is fun), is that women may end up building reflex motions/muscle memory in confrontations that will lead them to sticking around and trying to fight when their reflex/conditioning should be flat out running.

Sorry to burst your bubble,
There is no spot on a man you can magically kick and win in the real world. World just don’t work that way. Kick a man in the groin and your are just going to raise his adrenaline level, if you even manage to do it. Cause if you are close enough to kick he’s already got you.

What you can do is move yourself as fast as you can away from a situation.
Period.
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Oh I can think of more than 1 spot where I can kick a man and knock him to his knees. Care to volunteer?

And as I have noted before, I am very physically fit but wearing heels prevents me from running at my full potential, obviously. So should I stop wearing heels in case I bump into someone who wants to cause me warm? Not in your life.
 
Vangaurdian said:
What you can do is move yourself as fast as you can away from a situation.
Period.
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Which isn’t very fast with a babe in arms, unfortunately. :rolleyes:

I agree about the pepper spray and taser. They can be pretty useless as a self defense tool for several reasons.

Sure makes me glad I live in a shall-issue state. 👍
 
jilly4ski said:
I don’t think he was blaming the victim. But as a women, I get upset at other women, when they drink their brains out among men they don’t know, and who might also be drinking their brains out. It is a stupid idea and is asking for trouble. Now that doesn’t excuse a man from any crime he might commit, but why put yourself in such a dangerous situation. (Obviously there are some situations which you cannot help, walking to your car after work in the parking lot/garage). No amount of training or preparation will save you if you are passed out drunk or blacked out.

And no, pepper spray and tasers don’t work on everybody. You see it all the time on cops, when the guy gets tased and keeps charging at the cops. 🤷 And you need to be very close to make pepper spray work, and it will not stop everybody, some are just not as sensitive. It is like when I was learning a martial arts, we were learning some holds and such. The class was majority men, and when they would put these holds on me, they wouldn’t hurt, just because of my increased flexibility as a women. (And I am not very flexible as a women). We did put limits on how much pressure they could put behind their holds because we didn’t want to damage my joints, but rarely could they make a hold inflict any sort of pain. A man running on adrenaline, will probably not be bothered much by pepper spray or mace.
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Thank you!

That is pretty much what I am trying to say. Yeah you could say I’m"blaming the victim", I get that, but come on! y’all ladies have brains ya know, why not use them?
 
GracedUpon said:
Which isn’t very fast with a babe in arms, unfortunately. :rolleyes:

I agree about the pepper spray and taser. They can be pretty useless as a self defense tool for several reasons.

Sure makes me glad I live in a shall-issue state.
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“God created man, Sam Colt made them equal.”
:cool:
 
Vangaurdian said:
Thank you!

That is pretty much what I am trying to say. Yeah you could say I’m"blaming the victim", I get that, but come on! y’all ladies have brains ya know, why not use them?
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It’s not just women. The first rule of self defense is situational awareness. The first rule of safety is don’t do anything stupid. The second rule for both is alcohol makes you stupid.

Criminals prey on victims, too many folks make themselves easy victims. They’re not aware, they get drunk. There are several serial killers who took advantage of that, got young men partying drunk/drugged. They woke up handcuffed to a 4x4 bolted to the ceiling. Read ‘Mindhunters’ or some of the other books written by FBI profilers.

Criminals prefer to blitz you and surprise you, it’s not a stand up fight. They look for the person who isn’t paying attention, scanning, noting. Often, they have an accomplice you’re not aware of (know a guy who woke up in a hospital three days after a fight. He faced off with a guy, but got blindsided by the guys friend with a blunt instrument. He was lucky they didn’t beat his head in after he was down).
 
In my opinion, the right to bear arms, is the stupidest thing that ever came out of America.
actually, fortunately, it stayed there as the rest of the world is smarter in that regard.

Hi, the rapist, on the same token, probably has his own gun.

Makes me sad to see Catholics buy into this

And just to add to the self defense techniques, don’t just run, SCREEAAAAMMMMM, scream your head off. Unless you are literally in the middle of nowhere, in which case I have no idea where you’d be running to, there’s a great chance that someone will hear you. Not to mention, it makes the assailant rather nervous to know attention is being drawn.

And you know what, we women know, and men know, that they can overpower us no problem but psychologically, in these kind of situations, none are really rationalizing so use that, the more assertive the woman is, the more he will hesitate.

P.s. Runwaymodel, heels make for good weapons when you run them into his leg scraping down.
 
1inICXC said:
In my opinion, the right to bear arms, is the stupidest thing that ever came out of America.
actually, fortunately, it stayed there as the rest of the world is smarter in that regard.

Hi, the rapist, on the same token, probably has his own gun.

Makes me sad to see Catholics buy into this

And just to add to the self defense techniques, don’t just run, SCREEAAAAMMMMM, scream your head off. Unless you are literally in the middle of nowhere, in which case I have no idea where you’d be running to, there’s a great chance that someone will hear you. Not to mention, it makes the assailant rather nervous to know attention is being drawn.

And you know what, we women know, and men know, that they can overpower us no problem but psychologically, in these kind of situations, none are really rationalizing so use that, the more assertive the woman is, the more he will hesitate.

P.s. Runwaymodel, heels make for good weapons when you run them into his leg scraping down.
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Uhh…or you could just shoot him. Seriously I think this “You only need self-defense or pepper spray” is the dumbest thing…what if it’s a gang of rapists and not one? How is that self-defense going to work then?

Women, know these guys…they don’t care you can scream, bite, and scratch to them it makes it all the more fun for these sickos…but a “weak” woman pulling out a .38 revolver and blasting a hole in his chest will defiantly end that and you know what, a crazy woman with the look “I’m gonna shoot you and enjoy it” will end the advance of these sickos.

Besides ladies I don’t want you to just kick them and run…I want you to kill them! (Oops did that come out? :o) no but seriously. Women need to take these scumbags out, either by tazering them constantly till the cops arrive, blowing a hole in their head, or tranq darts or whatever…these scumbags need to get taken down on the first offense before they terrorize other women…because those women may not have taken the self-defense course.

BTW you can think “oh guns are stupid” but apparently the FBI doesn’t because states with right-to-carry laws have lower overall violent crime rates, compared to states without right-to-carry laws. In states whose laws respect the citizen’s right-to-carry guns for self defense the total violent crime is 13% lower, homicide is 3% lower, robbery is 26% lower and aggravated assault is 7% lower. (Data: Crime in the United States 1996, FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

But the beauty of America is this…you don’t like guns there are states that cater to your preference and I can keep my M16s and magnums in Ohio.
 
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