Women are the only ones who can talk about abortion?

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Then why do women sue men or want child support?
A man is needed to have a baby, and the guy should have (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
chero23 said:
Then why do women sue men or want child support?
A man is needed to have a baby, and the guy should have (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Given that this is an ideological position that says that the CHILD who is being killed has no rights, I think expecting them to recognize the rights of the other parent would be a bit extreme.
 
Reminds me of:

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”
-Pastor Martin Niemoller

I’d ask if she thinks she shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion on male circumcision, animal abuse (because she’s not an abused animal), slavery (because she’s not a slave), the environment (because I doubt she’s either a trained biologist or a plant), or any other subject that does not directly involve her. :rolleyes:
 
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She said they don’t have gender at conception
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That alone says she is ignorant of genetics. I agree with a previous poster. Her argument against a man having a stand on abortion is merely a deflection away from the topic of debate. It is her attempt to shut down the debate.
 
ffg said:
Ask her why she is atheist.
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She was raised to believe that religion just causes wars and upsets people, and believes that evil one worship is better than those bigoted Christians.

She actually did call me a bigot for being pro life. 🤷
 
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Even through the doubts, I engaged in a debate with a girl in my gifted class(we are allowed to debate there) over abortion. She said, “First of all, no uterus, no opinion.” I tried to prove that life begins at conception, but my arguments were without citation, making them useless.

How do you refute the “No uterus, no opinion” argument, also, do you have any citations for secular sources(she’s atheist) to prove that life begins at conception?
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Ask her if shes heard of something called “dna”.
 
Upgrade25 said:
Even through the doubts, I engaged in a debate with a girl in my gifted class(we are allowed to debate there) over abortion. She said, “First of all, no uterus, no opinion.” I tried to prove that life begins at conception, but my arguments were without citation, making them useless.

How do you refute the “No uterus, no opinion” argument, also, do you have any citations for secular sources(she’s atheist) to prove that life begins at conception?
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Ask, ‘At what point does the conceptus become life?’ Should a woman be able to abort another human being’s life *any *time prior to natural birth, just because she possesses its natural habitat, where all life develops and outside of which life cannot be sustained? Does she really have the right to be selfish with its fate, just because she’s been bestowed with its only means of survival? Should the rest of humanity be unconcerned with what happens to…humanity, with what threatens our very existence? What about the interests of the fetus, itself, who may be female as well as if that should matter, but is unable to defend herself or express her desire to continue to exist? Shouldn’t she have the right to life?
 
Upgrade25 said:
Even through the doubts, I engaged in a debate with a girl in my gifted class(we are allowed to debate there) over abortion. She said, “First of all, no uterus, no opinion.” I tried to prove that life begins at conception, but my arguments were without citation, making them useless.

How do you refute the “No uterus, no opinion” argument, also, do you have any citations for secular sources(she’s atheist) to prove that life begins at conception?
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My mother’s background is in biology. According to her, life begins at conception, and she is horrified by abortion. So, since I am the third of six living (mom had a series of miscarriages), and I happen to agree with someone who, not only has a uterus, but a background in biology. Mind you, unless I am talking to another Christian, I never use religion in debates about abortion and when conception occurs. I’m not great a biology, but I do not see how someone can say something such as the person you’re dealing with. How does she feel that a large percentage of women that have abortions are pushed into them by men? By the way, I live in the United States, and I am told we have free speech here, so asked her how she can enforce her will (that you have can have no opinion) on you.
 
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