Women Catholic Priests?

[Renton405]

This site says that these women have had valid ordination from the church. Could anyone please verify this. It also says that there have been women priests in 1970 and the early church…It says here on the site:

*MYTH: Roman Catholic women have not been ordained deacons or priests
in the modern era.
TRUTH:
Ludmila Javorova, ordained priest, December 28, 1970, among other women ordained.
For a list of other women ordained, please visit the History Page.

MYTH: These ordinations as women priests are not recognized or valid.
TRUTH: The group “RC Womenpriests” receives its authority from Roman Catholic bishops who stand in full Apostolic Succession. These bishops bestowed sacramentally valid ordinations on the women listed above. All the documents pertaining to these ordinations have been attested and notarized. All minutes of the ordinations, including data about persons, Apostolic Succession, and rituals, together with films and photos are deposited with a Notary Public.
*

*Canon Law 1024, “A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.” This is from the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, which was put forth on the feast of Pentecost in 1917, and later revised in 1983. So when I see the statement that only a baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly I feel forced to ask, “Says who?” The answer is a bunch of guys in 1917. Not good enough for me, nor is it good enough for the Roman Catholic Womenpriests.
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romancatholicwomenpriests.org/

 

[demerzel85]

It may be sacramentally valid, but having invalid matter still nullifies it. Maybe they should elect their own Pope and write their own Canon Law.

The term ‘Woman Priest’ is an oxymoron. Priest refers to males, Priestess to females. And no there is no such thing as a Priestess in the Catholic Church.

The argument about having a ‘Deaconess’ is really null and void because the Deaconess only had the duty of assisting in the baptism of women. The Deaconess did not have a any of the duties of a Deacon and was never ordained.

 

[Renton405]

why do they say they are valid if it is clear that Catholic Church says they are not valid? Arent they falsely speaking for the Church? They also think practicing homosexuals and bisexuals should be ordained too

 

[demerzel85]

why do they say they are valid if it is clear that Catholic Church says they are not valid?

Cause its possible to lie?

Arent they falsely speaking for the Church?

Oh and they represent the Church?

They also think practicing homosexuals and bisexuals should be ordained too

Well that’s totally out of the question. The Apostles of the Gentiles St Paul spoke very very strongly against the sensual sins.

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

This site says that these women have had valid ordination from the church. Could anyone please verify this. It also says that there have been women priests in 1970 and the early church…It says here on the site:

MYTH: Roman Catholic women have not been ordained deacons or priests in the modern era.
TRUTH: Ludmila Javorova, ordained priest, December 28, 1970, among other women ordained.
For a list of other women ordained, please visit the History Page.
**
Right, so these people were illegally ordaining women. What does that prove? These ‘ordained’ women are not priests but lay people like me or my parents. They have no authority nor ability to concentrate the bread and wine or give absolutions. These poor women and people who trust in them are being fooled into believing that they are eating Flesh and Blood of Christ. Instead all they are doing is eating simple bread and drinking simple wine. Is this not the work of Satan?**

MYTH: These ordinations as women priests are not recognized or valid.
TRUTH: The group “RC Womenpriests” receives its authority from Roman Catholic bishops who stand in full Apostolic Succession. These bishops bestowed sacramentally valid ordinations on the women listed above. All the documents pertaining to these ordinations have been attested and notarized. All minutes of the ordinations, including data about persons, Apostolic Succession, and rituals, together with films and photos are deposited with a Notary Public.

**Interesting logic but unfortunately that’s not enough. If these “Roman Catholic bishops who stand in full Apostolic Succession” decide to ordain a monkey would we have a priest-kong!

so…TRUTH: These ordinations as women priests are not recognized or valid.**

*Canon Law 1024, “A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.” This is from the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, which was put forth on the feast of Pentecost in 1917, and later revised in 1983. So when I see the statement that only a baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly I feel forced to ask, “Says who?” The answer is a bunch of guys in 1917. Not good enough for me, nor is it good enough for the Roman Catholic Womenpriests. *

This reminds me of those Protestants who claim that it was in the 1950 that the Church suddenly decided that Mary was assumed to heaven.

why do they say they are valid if it is clear that Catholic Church says they are not valid? Arent they falsely speaking for the Church? They also think practicing homosexuals and bisexuals should be ordained too

Well, people can easily be deceived - especially in today’s world where relativism and strangest forms of feminism became an accepted norm.

 

[Renton405]

Cause its possible to lie?

Oh and they represent the Church?

Well that’s totally out of the question. The Apostles of the Gentiles St Paul spoke very very strongly against the sensual sins.

Wouldn’t they be kinda false-advertising the church then? By claiming an orginization is something when it clearly is not could be Libel.

 

[demerzel85]

Wouldn’t they be kinda false-advertising the church then? By claiming an orginization is something when it clearly is not could be Libel.

Yes. But they are still invited to renounce their heresy and do penance.

 

[Nita]

I don’t know if it’s even sacramentally valid. I think “valid” means an ordination actually occurred and they would be priests(ess), but illicit. Such a situation could not exist.

A comparison I would make would be the priest saying the words of consecration over potato chips and pop. He’s saying all the proper words and is someone who has the power to consecrate. Yet, NOTHING happens; no valid sacrament has taken place. I think the reason is that the “matter” is too far off the mark. Such would be the case with a woman having all the proper words and actions carried out by someone who has the power to ordain. She is too far off the mark as regards “matter” for anything at all to occur sacramentally. I THINK.

Anybody know someplace we can check this out for sure?

Nita

 

[1ke]

why do they say they are valid if it is clear that Catholic Church says they are not valid?

Because they are delusional. They have rejected all authority of the Church and probably truly believe they are priests-- it does not make it so.

Arent they falsely speaking for the Church?

Yes

They also think practicing homosexuals and bisexuals should be ordained too

They may also believe in alien spaceships, and Big Foot for all we know.

Yes, they propose all sorts of things that are contrary to the Church’s teaching. We must pray for these poor souls, and hope that they will reconcile with the Church.

 

[az_4_faith]

I’m gonna take a stab at this, remember I’m not a scholar (disclaimer, disclaimer . . . )

For a valid ordination to occur, certain steps MUST happen.

Only a consecrated Catholic Bishop may confer ordination.
This means he must have his faculties in the line of succession in communion with the Holy See.

He must use the proper form, matter and intent.

He must use the specific ordination rites established by the Church (form).

He must have the proper disposition or intention to confer the sacrament. (intent).

He must ordain men (matter) only.

The Holy See has affirmed over and over that the priesthood is reserved for men and will never be open to women. Therefore, due to improper matter (her gender), a woman’s “ordination” will always been invalid.

So the Bishop who ordained these women, even though he may have used the Catholic Church’s ordination rite in its proper form, and had the intention of ordaining them could not confer the sacrament because the matter (their gender) was not valid.

Two out of three doesn’t cut it.

No ordination took place. Only the ordination in their imagination.

Now, anyone is free to claim anything that they want, but it doesn’t make it so. Just look in any large metropolitan city’s yellow pages and you’ll see how many “independent” catholic churches are listed. Nearly all are not in union with Rome and are in schism.

In our area, we had a woman leave a rather large parish and strike out on her own after she was “ordained”. She has a rather small following, but claims she is catholic and has valid sacraments. WRONG. But people still follow her. It’s so sad.

That ol’ devil is still working overtime.

 

[az_4_faith]

I don’t know if it’s even sacramentally valid. I think “valid” means an ordination actually occurred and they would be priests(ess), but illicit. Such a situation could not exist.

A comparison I would make would be the priest saying the words of consecration over potato chips and pop. He’s saying all the proper words and is someone who has the power to consecrate. Yet, NOTHING happens; no valid sacrament has taken place. I think the reason is that the “matter” is too far off the mark. Such would be the case with a woman having all the proper words and actions carried out by someone who has the power to ordain. She is too far off the mark as regards “matter” for anything at all to occur sacramentally. I THINK.

Anybody know someplace we can check this out for sure?

Nita

That’s a very good analogy.

You don’t even have to go to the extreme of potato chips and pop -the Sacrament of Holy Communion would be invalid even if the priest used bread made from anything but wheat and water - (say, added sugar or yeast or honey or anything else for that matter) that’s how specific the Church is on proper form, matter and intent.

Ya don’t mess with the sacraments.

 

[PhilotheaZ]

For further explanation, see John Paul II’s apostolic letter “Ordinatio Sacerdotalis” at vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_22051994_ordinatio-sacerdotalis_en.html , and the following excerpt from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

VI. WHO CAN RECEIVE THIS SACRAMENT?

1577 "Only a baptized man (vir) validly receives sacred ordination."66 The Lord Jesus chose men (viri) to form the college of the twelve apostles, and the apostles did the same when they chose collaborators to succeed them in their ministry.67 The college of bishops, with whom the priests are united in the priesthood, makes the college of the twelve an ever-present and ever-active reality until Christ’s return. The Church recognizes herself to be bound by this choice made by the Lord himself. For this reason the ordination of women is not possible.68

1578 No one has a *right *to receive the sacrament of Holy Orders. Indeed no one claims this office for himself; he is called to it by God.69 Anyone who thinks he recognizes the signs of God’s call to the ordained ministry must humbly submit his desire to the authority of the Church, who has the responsibility and right to call someone to receive orders. Like every grace this sacrament can be received only as an unmerited gift.

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

This site says that these women have had valid ordination from the church. Could anyone please verify this. It also says that there have been women priests in 1970 and the early church…It says here on the site:

*MYTH: Roman Catholic women have not been ordained deacons or priests *
in the modern era.
*TRUTH: *
Ludmila Javorova, ordained priest, December 28, 1970, among other women ordained.
*For a list of other women ordained, please visit the History Page. *

MYTH: These ordinations as women priests are not recognized or valid.
TRUTH: The group “RC Womenpriests” receives its authority from Roman Catholic bishops who stand in full Apostolic Succession. These bishops bestowed sacramentally valid ordinations on the women listed above. All the documents pertaining to these ordinations have been attested and notarized. All minutes of the ordinations, including data about persons, Apostolic Succession, and rituals, together with films and photos are deposited with a Notary Public.

Canon Law 1024, “A baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly.” This is from the Code of Canon Law of the Roman Catholic Church, which was put forth on the feast of Pentecost in 1917, and later revised in 1983. So when I see the statement that only a baptized male alone receives sacred ordination validly I feel forced to ask, “Says who?” The answer is a bunch of guys in 1917. Not good enough for me, nor is it good enough for the Roman Catholic Womenpriests.

romancatholicwomenpriests.org/

The problem is that you can say the words, supply the actions like imposing hands, anointing, recording, taking pictures all you want, but no matter what the misguided Bishop does NOTHING HAPPENS! Except that he Excommunicates himdelf and those he attempts to “Ordain”.

 

[OutinChgoburbs]

You cannot make a mommy a daddy. It’s just that simple.

 

[Marian_Carroll]

As this organization is non-affiliated with the mainstream Catholic Church the inquiry has been answered and the thread is closed.