Women in the Draft

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Hey all,
I have been thinking about this article about drafting women. Personally, I am all for it because we are equal after all. The comments on the article are rather interesting though. Lots of women are calling men cowards for wanting to send women into battle. Of coarse they don’t know that Israel drafts women and Britain did it in WWII though those women got desk jobs. I was wondering what all of you think though.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Hey all,
I have been thinking about this article about drafting women. Personally, I am all for it because we are equal after all. The comments on the article are rather interesting though. Lots of women are calling men cowards for wanting to send women into battle. Of coarse they don’t know that Israel drafts women and Britain did it in WWII though those women got desk jobs. I was wondering what all of you think though.
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I say go ahead!

Within the next five elections, we will have a female as President of this country; and to my mind, if they can order others to die fighting, they can fairly be ordered to as well.

Didn’t know that about England in WW2.

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Saw an article on Catholic Online too! Women served in many wars. I think they are able as like the poster above said, if you can send people off to die then you need to have skin in the game.
 
Being a woman, I support equality. Like, I’ll hand it to a man to have a monthly cycle and go through “natural” child birth. :rotfl:
 
Christy_Beth said:
Being a woman, I support equality. Like, I’ll hand it to a man to have a monthly cycle and go through “natural” child birth. :rotfl:
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They have pills for that and thanks to Obamacare they are free. Also, its your choice to do the act that gets you pregnant. Giving life is a charitable act done out of love. Don’t think you are owed anything for it. You are less likely to die in childbirth than a man is on the front lines in combat too. Whose making the bigger sacrifice?
 
Look, I’ve been in the army, and I have given birth. My daughter is now a responsible adult. If she was so inclined to go in and join a combat group, then I would let her go. Me on the front lines? If it were to happen, it would have happened. My bit on the equality front was, let men see what it’s like to carry and give birth to a baby. Then they might have some more respect for women.
 
Christy_Beth said:
Look, I’ve been in the army, and I have given birth. My daughter is now a responsible adult. If she was so inclined to go in and join a combat group, then I would let her go. Me on the front lines? If it were to happen, it would have happened. My bit on the equality front was, let men see what it’s like to carry and give birth to a baby. Then they might have some more respect for women.
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Men originally had (or were expected to have) a great deal more respect for women. That was what chivalry was all about, even if many or most males did not live up to it.

It was the feminist revolution, and it’s creed of war between the sexes, that did away with that. Why be gentlemanly if the daughters of feminists will no longer be ladylike?

It’s not the norm for either gender to respond to aggression with kindness. If you wish men were more “respectful of women”, blame feminism.

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When I was in high school I was all for feminism. But I’ve learned alot since then. But I’ve also learned to speak up for myself. I’m sorry if I seem rude in here, but this subject really gets me. It isn’t like women haven’t been ready to take up arms in combat. During the Revolutionary war there was a British General who is quoted as saying, “You may get past the American men, but then you have to fact the women.” And in Afghanistan there were some women caught in the cross hairs. Probably more than we know. I’m sure the same thing happened in Iraq. I guess my attitude is, we women are already there, so quit acting like it isn’t happening. I don’t know if women want to be in infantry or the like, but we still have to go through the same basic training as the men do. In fact, we are all trained the same. Put us where we are needed, forgetting gender for once. What’s right for one woman may be the perfect place for another. Same goes for men. I don’t see men running to become Navy Seals. That’s for some, but not others.
 
Christy_Beth said:
Look, I’ve been in the army, and I have given birth. My daughter is now a responsible adult. If she was so inclined to go in and join a combat group, then I would let her go. Me on the front lines? If it were to happen, it would have happened. My bit on the equality front was, let men see what it’s like to carry and give birth to a baby. Then they might have some more respect for women.
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I am not saying women shouldn’t be in the army. In fact I was saying quite the opposite. As you clearly pointed out, women can handle themselves in combat. The issue (and topic of the thread) is the Selective Service. I think since women proved themselves and enjoy the same political perks they should be subject to the Selective Service. That was my only point lol!! Do you agree as a servicewoman that your fellow women should be required to register?
 
If men are subject to the draft, then perhaps women should be as well. But I know that if a draft did come up, both sides would be screaming, “UNFAIR!!” When I was in high school, my dad had the bright idea that all high school graduates should spend at least 2 years in the military. At least we aren’t in Switzerland where being in the military isn’t optional. Every year, these people have to report to their assingned place, and go through annual training. Imagine a banker having to go through that terrain (remember, they are in the Alps). That would be one sore dude by the time they got done.
Actually, that’s my fear. That we might go so far as to make military assignment mandatory.
 
Christy_Beth said:
If men are subject to the draft, then perhaps women should be as well. But I know that if a draft did come up, both sides would be screaming, “UNFAIR!!” When I was in high school, my dad had the bright idea that all high school graduates should spend at least 2 years in the military. At least we aren’t in Switzerland where being in the military isn’t optional. Every year, these people have to report to their assingned place, and go through annual training. Imagine a banker having to go through that terrain (remember, they are in the Alps). That would be one sore dude by the time they got done.
Actually, that’s my fear. That we might go so far as to make military assignment mandatory.
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I have three sons that served and although they weren’t thrilled with everything they were expected to do, all three said it matured them and better prepared them for life. Bankers climb the Alps, they work out at the same gym that everyone else does and do fine. My best friend is a banker and joined the National Guard to get his education paid for. Guess where he ended up and he did fine. If you want the same benefits, do the same job.
 
Since Obama’s Dept. of Defense has lifted the ban on women serving on the front lines, they should be expected to register with Selection Service when they turn 18, just like guys.
 
Well, I’m now 50 and my daughter 28. I know I’m too old for the draft. Although I’d gladly take a desk job around here if it meant that another able bodied person could go kick some butt. That is, if it were a “just” war, and not some made up stuff that seems to be the thing these days. Just look, we went into Afghanistan in 2001 to go after Bin Ladin. He’s dead, but we are still there. And he wasn’t even in the country at the time. 🤷
 
It’s all very well and good to talk about it in terms of “equality”, realizing that the sexes are manifestly not “equal” in many things.

It’s another thing to actually do it. It strikes me as extremely unlikely there will ever again be a draft in the U.S…even of the men.

But if this country made women eligible for the draft, it would totally guarantee that it would never actually happen. This country would not tolerate actually drafting women. Perhaps that’s the point of all of this…to guarantee that this country will never draft anybody; men or women, no matter how urgent or needful the circumstance might be.
 
silentfactor80 said:
Hey all,
I have been thinking about this article about drafting women. Personally, I am all for it because we are equal after all. The comments on the article are rather interesting though. Lots of women are calling men cowards for wanting to send women into battle. Of coarse they don’t know that Israel drafts women and Britain did it in WWII though those women got desk jobs. I was wondering what all of you think though.
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Israel doesn’t put women into combat. It tried it, but it didn’t work out. The only women in “combat” positions in Israel are in the Caracal Battalion, which is almost entirely composed of women and is assigned to guard duty on the Egyptian border only. Women Israelis are not at the “tip of the spear”.

One needs to remember that Israel is a country with a tiny population in a massive sea of Arabs. It drafts women because it has so few people of either gender. But the women draftees serve in supportive roles even less hazardous than that of the Caracals.

Even so, a female Israeli draftee can serve alternatively in the Sherut Leumi, which is a national service organization, almost all of whom are women who chose that instead of the draft.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It’s all very well and good to talk about it in terms of “equality”, realizing that the sexes are manifestly not “equal” in many things.

It’s another thing to actually do it. It strikes me as extremely unlikely there will ever again be a draft in the U.S…even of the men.

But if this country made women eligible for the draft, it would totally guarantee that it would never actually happen. This country would not tolerate actually drafting women. Perhaps that’s the point of all of this…to guarantee that this country will never draft anybody; men or women, no matter how urgent or needful the circumstance might be.
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I have heard this argument. To me, registering is about the legal obligation men have and the consequences of not fulfilling it. Society has no equivalent obligation for women yet they enjoy all the rights (i.e. voting, holding public office, etc) that men do. There is no reason why men should be denied financial aid for not filling out a stupid card yet women have no such responsibility. Talk about “undue burden.”
 
How many men have given birth? Don’t forget to tell your mom that she is an “undue burden” for giving you life.
 
GEddie said:
Men originally had (or were expected to have) a great deal more respect for women. That was what chivalry was all about, even if many or most males did not live up to it.

It was the feminist revolution, and it’s creed of war between the sexes, that did away with that. Why be gentlemanly if the daughters of feminists will no longer be ladylike?

It’s not the norm for either gender to respond to aggression with kindness. If you wish men were more “respectful of women”, blame feminism.

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I totally agree with this. If you act like one of the guys, you will be treated like one of the guys. I was a huge tomboy growing up. I’m 5’0 and I would play back yard football with the boys. I was treated like one of the guys then too. When I went to college, I became a girl. I have to say. I like being a girly girl better. I like chivalrous gentlemen around now. I love the fact that my husband opens doors for me and pulls out my chair.
As for the OP, as I get older the more old fashioned I become. If women want to serve let them sign up. I don’t think women should be forced to do so.
 
I’m with Christy Beth on this one. When men can give birth and women are required to be drafted, that might be equality.
 
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