Women in the Draft

[silentfactor80]

How many men have given birth? Don’t forget to tell your mom that she is an “undue burden” for giving you life.

You are not comparing apples to apples. No one forces women to give birth. You don’t have to have a child if you don’t want to. There is no law the obligates a woman to have a child but there is a law that obligates men to register for the draft. That is what I mean about equality. Now, if you want to propose a law that would require women to commit 2 children and be fined for not doing so then you have a case. Otherwise you dump a legal burden on men without one on women.

And the “undue burden” I was referring to was the language abortion rights people use to justify abortion. It is hypocritical to give women an out from their natural function to have babies but men get no relief from their obligations. Double standard and not just before the law.

 

[silentfactor80]

I totally agree with this. If you act like one of the guys, you will be treated like one of the guys. I was a huge tomboy growing up. I’m 5’0 and I would play back yard football with the boys. I was treated like one of the guys then too. When I went to college, I became a girl. I have to say. I like being a girly girl better. I like chivalrous gentlemen around now. I love the fact that my husband opens doors for me and pulls out my chair.
As for the OP, as I get older the more old fashioned I become. If women want to serve let them sign up. I don’t think women should be forced to do so.

But you think its OK to force men to do something? When lawmakers try to “force” (i.e. pro-life legislators) women to live up to their natural “obligation” to bare children there are powerful groups that fight them. Why is men get no reprieve from our obligations? You cannot legally expect men to have obligations but not women. That is the opposite of equality.

 

[GaryTaylor]

I doubt there will ever be another draft. BUT…I do notice we keep the Selective Service System around, just in case we need YOU!

"At the request of President Bill Clinton, the Department of Defense reviewed the issue in 1994, noting that because women are excluded by policy from front line combat positions, excluding them from the draft process remains justifiable in DoD’s view. Although no conclusions were reached, DoD recognized that policies regarding women need to be reviewed periodically because the role of women in the military continues to expand. The Selective Service System takes the position that it would be able to register and draft women with its existing infrastructure, if given the mission and additional funding.[42]

On January 23, 2013, the Pentagon decided to end its policy of excluding women from combat positions. Military and legal analysts speculate that this will open the door for Congress to begin the process to amend the law and remove the exemption from registration requirements" wiki-pedia

Welcome.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

But you think its OK to force men to do something? When lawmakers try to “force” (i.e. pro-life legislators) women to live up to their natural “obligation” to bare children there are powerful groups that fight them. Why is men get no reprieve from our obligations? You cannot legally expect men to have obligations but not women. That is the opposite of equality.

I doubt that they will have to ever open the draft again. War isn’t like it used to be. You can also get a deferment. Which is basically legal draft dodging. I don’t want to be equal to a man. I will gladly stay in the kitchen.

 

[silentfactor80]

I doubt that they will have to ever open the draft again. War isn’t like it used to be. You can also get a deferment. Which is basically legal draft dodging. I don’t want to be equal to a man. I will gladly stay in the kitchen.

Whether they use the draft or not there are consequences for not registering which women do not have to worry about. A man cannot get a drivers license in many states, no government employment at federal or state level, and no financial aid. Women have none of those burdens.

Also, it is very unlikely to get a deferment in the time of war. If it was that easy everyone would have done it instead of running to Canada. In the eyes of the law you are equal. You have the right to vote, own property, etc. The only area you are not equal in is obligation. Men fare much worse in that department.

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Whether they use the draft or not there are consequences for not registering which women do not have to worry about. A man cannot get a drivers license in many states, no government employment at federal or state level, and no financial aid. Women have none of those burdens.

Also, it is very unlikely to get a deferment in the time of war. If it was that easy everyone would have done it instead of running to Canada. In the eyes of the law you are equal. You have the right to vote, own property, etc. The only area you are not equal in is obligation. Men fare much worse in that department.

The military give me burdens daily. I will not agree with you. You will not persuade me into thinking there is a need for women to be forced in to the military.
There are several types of deferments. Maybe people ran to Canada because they didn’t know about deferments or which ones they qualify for. They can be googled now. Heck, you lie on your psych exam at MEPS. They don’t want crazy people in the military.

 

[garn9173]

Whether they use the draft or not there are consequences for not registering which women do not have to worry about. A man cannot get a drivers license in many states, no government employment at federal or state level, and no financial aid. Women have none of those burdens.

Women SHOULD have those burdens as the Obama administration has lifted the ban on women serving “on the front lines”.

 

[silentfactor80]

The military give me burdens daily. I will not agree with you. You will not persuade me into thinking there is a need for women to be forced in to the military.
There are several types of deferments. Maybe people ran to Canada because they didn’t know about deferments or which ones they qualify for. They can be googled now. Heck, you lie on your psych exam at MEPS. They don’t want crazy people in the military.

Military gives you burdens daily that it doesn’t give men?? Like what? I never said women have to be forced but they do need some civic obligation on par with what men have. Registering for the selective service is just one option. Also, I am not trying to persuade you into anything. What I am trying to do is demonstrate how good women have it when all I hear is complaints that men “have it all.”

Here is what I found when I Googled: instructables.com/id/How-to-dodge-a-draft/. In most cases your off to war…so I don’t know what you are talking about. If troops are needed they don’t care who you are or what your excuse is. Most people are normal and will pass a psych exam. They can spot a fake.

Also, you failed to miss my key point. The point is men have an obligation to register and face consequences for not fulfilling it. I gave examples in an earlier post. Women on the other hand enjoy the freedom from any obligation and the 1 “obligation” you do have you can avoid without any consequences. You can get pregnant and abort that obligation. You can also take birth control and still avoid that obligation. You can own property. You can vote. You enjoy the privileges of a free society without having any additional obligation other than paying taxes which men share the same. When women are ready to give something up then you have a case. Until then you do not.

 

[shipwrkd]

The military give me burdens daily. I will not agree with you. You will not persuade me into thinking there is a need for women to be forced in to the military.
There are several types of deferments. Maybe people ran to Canada because they didn’t know about deferments or which ones they qualify for. They can be googled now. Heck, you lie on your psych exam at MEPS. They don’t want crazy people in the military.

Ask the great boxer Mohamed Ali how easy it was to get a deferment. He had a battery of lawyers at his command and ended up serving time for refusing. One of the greatest singers of all time, he’s known as king, was drafted and couldn’t get out of it. I couldn’t get out of it so I’m not sure where your getting all this info on deferments. Either your a female Naval Officer or a Navy wife by your posts. If your in the Navy, you voluntarily joined and should be aware how to handle those daily burdens. If your a Navy wife, that too was your choice. Either way, you should be proud to serve. Too many joined for benefits thinking that there would be no payback.

 

[Christy_Beth]

The laws of man are what’s behind the selective service. It is also the laws of man that keeps women downtrodden. We are “less” because we belong at home. In current wars, and ones in the recent past, there were no formal "front line. Women fouond themselves in the middle of battles no matter what their MOS was. Just ask Jessica Lynch. Remember her? Another woman was injured and taken by the other side to one of their hospitals. The other woman died. Even in Vietnam there were women who died in combat situations. So don’t give me no **** about women doing less than men.

 

[shipwrkd]

The laws of man are what’s behind the selective service. It is also the laws of man that keeps women downtrodden. We are “less” because we belong at home. In current wars, and ones in the recent past, there were no formal "front line. Women fouond themselves in the middle of battles no matter what their MOS was. Just ask Jessica Lynch. Remember her? Another woman was injured and taken by the other side to one of their hospitals. The other woman died. Even in Vietnam there were women who died in combat situations. So don’t give me no **** about women doing less than men.

These women were there because the volunteered…not because they faced five years in prison if they refused.

I doubt that they will have to ever open the draft again. War isn’t like it used to be. You can also get a deferment. Which is basically legal draft dodging. I don’t want to be equal to a man. I will gladly stay in the kitchen.

Sounds as if your the one who desires to keep women “downtrodden”.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

No one has been drafted for 40 years.

 

[silentfactor80]

The laws of man are what’s behind the selective service. It is also the laws of man that keeps women downtrodden. We are “less” because we belong at home. In current wars, and ones in the recent past, there were no formal "front line. Women fouond themselves in the middle of battles no matter what their MOS was. Just ask Jessica Lynch. Remember her? Another woman was injured and taken by the other side to one of their hospitals. The other woman died. Even in Vietnam there were women who died in combat situations. So don’t give me no **** about women doing less than men.

Of coarse the women that VOLUNTEERED are expected to perform their duties as required. The issue of this thread however is CONSCRIPTION via the SELECTIVE SERVICE!! Why do you keep turning this into a “man telling woman she can’t fight as good as him” thing??? Look, I believe fully women can do their military duty!! That is why I think it is OK to obligate them to register with the Selective Service.

Laws of man keeping women downtrodden??? Like what? The only law we are talking about here has man downtrodden under the heels of women lol!!! Men are required to give our lives or face severe consequences while women can choose whether or not they want they want to give theirs without any consequence. Can we get back to the issue please?

 

[silentfactor80]

No one has been drafted for 40 years.

No, but there are consequences for not registering. Of coarse a woman would know nothing about this because she is not obligated to register. Would you like to face not being able to get a drivers license, no financial aid, and no government employment for not wanting to fill out the Selective Service Card? If you think a draft isn’t going to happen then no skin off your back for supporting the registration of women to the Selective Service.

 

[shipwrkd]

No one has been drafted for 40 years.

No, but every male 18 years of age must still register with with the Selective Service Administration.

Ya beat me, silent

 

[silentfactor80]

No, but every male 18 years of age must still register with with the Selective Service Administration.

Ya beat me, silent

No problem lol! My significant other didn’t even know men had to register until she heard it on a XM radio ad at the age of 26!! LOL! And they say guys are clueless?!?!

 

[KendraDZ1902]

Military gives you burdens daily that it doesn’t give men?? Like what? I never said women have to be forced but they do need some civic obligation on par with what men have. Registering for the selective service is just one option. Also, I am not trying to persuade you into anything. What I am trying to do is demonstrate how good women have it when all I hear is complaints that men “have it all.”

Here is what I found when I Googled: instructables.com/id/How-to-dodge-a-draft/. In most cases your off to war…so I don’t know what you are talking about. If troops are needed they don’t care who you are or what your excuse is. Most people are normal and will pass a psych exam. They can spot a fake.

Also, you failed to miss my key point. The point is men have an obligation to register and face consequences for not fulfilling it. I gave examples in an earlier post. Women on the other hand enjoy the freedom from any obligation and the 1 “obligation” you do have you can avoid without any consequences. You can get pregnant and abort that obligation. You can also take birth control and still avoid that obligation. You can own property. You can vote. You enjoy the privileges of a free society without having any additional obligation other than paying taxes which men share the same. When women are ready to give something up then you have a case. Until then you do not.

First of all, I didn’t say the military gives me burdens that it doesn’t give to men. I said that the military gives me burdens. So, yeah.
Types of Draft Deferments:
Conscientious Objector Status
Ministerial Student or Clergy
Hardship
Dual National Status
Also, Joe Biden dodged the draft by saying he had childhood asthma at MEPS.
I went to MEPS in HS and I had to have a waiver because I visited a psychiatrist when I was a child. If you have ADD or ADHD, you aren’t going off to boot camp. Most people between the ages of 18-25 are smoking pot or something else. If you don’t pass a drug test, they won’t take you. Sports injuries can stop you from being accepted. If you want to dodge the draft, you will. And you can do it legally. The military world isn’t like it was back then. They know now that you can’t just hand kid a gun and send him off to war.
How are women supposed to sign up for the SS and actually have a family? What if her husband and her SSN are pulled. One would have to stay and take care of the children. Then if they decide to run for office or do anything in the public they will be called a draft dodger, even if they had a legal deferment. Yes, I know that there are military families where mom and dad are service members. They aren’t deployed at the same time.
I have no clue why you are so adamant about women going into the draft. I won’t happen again. Military capabilities are not like they were back in the day. Me having a case has nothing to do with the fact that it won’t happen again.

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

No, but there are consequences for not registering. Of coarse a woman would know nothing about this because she is not obligated to register. Would you like to face not being able to get a drivers license, no financial aid, and no government employment for not wanting to fill out the Selective Service Card? If you think a draft isn’t going to happen then no skin off your back for supporting the registration of women to the Selective Service.

Why not then lobby to have Selective Service abolished?

 

[shipwrkd]

Also, Joe Biden dodged the draft by saying he had childhood asthma at MEPS.

Now there’s a fine example of a man to use

If you want to dodge the draft, you will. And you can do it legally. The military world isn’t like it was back then

But can you do it morally?

They know now that you can’t just hand kid a gun and send him off to war.

Oh really, tell that to a bunch of National Guard troops.

How are women supposed to sign up for the SS and actually have a family? What if her husband and her SSN are pulled. One would have to stay and take care of the children. Then if they decide to run for office or do anything in the public they will be called a draft dodger, even if they had a legal deferment. Yes, I know that there are military families where mom and dad are service members. They aren’t deployed at the same time.

I guess they could use one of those easy to obtain deferments.

 

[Christy_Beth]

Look, when I got out of the Army, the men getting out had to sign their selective service bit. At the time (I was only 21) I wondered why I didn’t have to do the same. The military expect the women to be as combat ready as the men. Well, unless the Marines have changed their bit. When I was in, as a truck driver, me and one of my roommates, and a few of our men, were dispatched to support some marines. It ended up that the two of us were the only women out there. The marines didn’t require the women go out into the field. Which I thought was stupid. After all, like I"ve said earlier, women have been caught in combat situtations. I really don’t know why you guys are being such jerks about this. It is what it is, if you don’t like it, go change it.